Yes
Michael

"Stephens, Jon" wrote:

> What about GenMach?
> Too big and bloated?
>
> Thanks
>         Jonathan Stephens
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From:   Zsiros, Pete [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>         Sent:   Friday, February 18, 2000 9:40 AM
>         To:     '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>         Subject:        RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>
>         I am an avid advocate Unigraphics. As one would expect from a
> high-end
>         system, the modeling capabilities are immense, as are the assembly
> features,
>         You  can customize your tool libraries in ways our guys at SmartCam
> never
>         even dreamed of. But when it comes to controlling every move on the
> machine
>         down to the smallest fillet, or when you feel like putting something
> new
>         into the code generators, or if you just want to turn offset off in
> the
>         middle of the toolpath, You find that SmartCam, like it was five
> years ago,
>         is still unparalelled.
>         And yes, let's keep the discussion going.
>
>         Pete Zsiros
>
>         Disclaimer: I do not sell, or in any other way represent any
> software
>         maker's product. I hope it is obvious from my comments.
>                 ----------
>                 From:  Blomquist, Jamie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>                 Sent:  Friday, February 18, 2000 11:57 AM
>                 To:  'Manhart, Martin'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
> '[MFG-SMARTCAM]'
>                 Subject:  RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>
>                 Well, lets keep this discussion about alternative CAM
> systems going,
>         it's a
>                 good one. Everyone's needs are different. We do a lot of
> everyday
>         type
>                 machining with many tools and many workplaces. Also some
> prototype
>         and mold
>                 type work. We have got our first look at Esprit and Gibbs,
> we were
>         actually
>                 quite optimistic about both. Any ideas?
>
>                 > -----Original Message-----
>                 > From: Manhart, Martin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>                 > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 10:10 AM
>                 > To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[MFG-SMARTCAM]'
>                 > Subject:      RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>                 >
>                 > Dick,
>                 >
>                 > Can you edit your actual tool path elements in the EdgeCam
> modules
>         for
>                 > taking out little incongruities and precisely controlling
> your
>         tools when
>                 > needed?
>                 >
>                 > Does it output APT or have an integrated code Generator?
>                 >
>                 > And thanks for your input, as we too are on a quest for
> state of
>         the art
>                 > CAM
>                 > software.
>                 >
>                 > Marty
>                 >
>                 > > -----Original Message-----
>                 > > From: Dick Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>                 > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 8:31 AM
>                 > > To: 'John Wright'; 'Manhart, Martin'; '[MFG-SMARTCAM]'
>                 > > Subject: RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > As everyone knows Smartcam is an excellent cam software
> and
>                 > > has had a big
>                 > > impact on the manufacturing community. When you look at
> the
>                 > > progression from
>                 > > Point Control Days until last year the technology was
> second
>                 > > to none. The
>                 > > problem is SDRC has decided to abandon the development
> of the
>                 > > software and
>                 > > focus their attention on the larger customers that are
>                 > > willing to spend a
>                 > > lot more money then the normal business. There's a good
> and
>                 > > bad to what they
>                 > > have done. The bad is they decided that the customer
> base
>                 > > they have using
>                 > > smartcam was not important anymore. The good thing they
> have
>                 > > done is to open
>                 > > our eyes to other software's that are actually as good
> or
>                 > > better and are
>                 > > putting development money into their products to help
> the
>                 > > manufacturing
>                 > > community. We evaluated all of the major Cam software's
> and
>                 > > we used Smartcam
>                 > > to compare these products to as one of the test. We
> found
>                 > > that through this
>                 > > process that EdgeCam by Pathtrace had a lot of
> similarities.
>                 > > The system is
>                 > > easy to use and they offer different modules (like Basic
>         mill,Freeform
>                 > > Machining,Turn,Wire,etc.)As we investigated Edgecam more
> we
>                 > > saw that they
>                 > > were committed to advance the technologies for the cam
>                 > > industry now and in
>                 > > the future. We also found that there are no 2 software's
> that
>                 > > are exactly
>                 > > the same. Some things are easier in smartcam and some in
>
>                 > > Edgecam. We found
>                 > > several features with EdgeCam over Smartcam. Since we
> choose
>                 > > Edgecam to be
>                 > > our Cam product they have made several enhancements
> above
>                 > > smartcam. They are
>                 > > able to read several Cad Solids directly, such as
>         Catia,Solidedge,etc.
>                 > > Working with code generators are a lot easier and the
> way
>                 > > they store their
>                 > > tools in the tool store is really cool (not to mention
> the ease
>         of
>                 > > programming parts). All I know is that it doesn't matter
> how
>                 > > well we like
>                 > > smartcam it is gone. Anyone that sets around whining
> about it
>                 > > being gone
>                 > > will be the same ones whining later that they are
> loosing
>                 > > business to the
>                 > > companies that moved on. Thanks Pathtrace for stepping
> up to
>                 > > bat and take us
>                 > > through the next millenium.
>                 > > Thanks for letting me say my piece.
>                 > > D. Allen
>                 > >
>                 > > -----Original Message-----
>                 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                 > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> John Wright
>                 > > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:46 PM
>                 > > To: Manhart, Martin; [MFG-SMARTCAM]
>                 > > Subject: Re: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > Thank you I am still looking for that killer package
> similar
>                 > > to smart cam or
>                 > > should I say
>                 > > (smart cam 2 the resurrection ) ha! wishful thinking.
>                 > >                                           John
>                 > >
>                 > > -----Original Message-----
>                 > > From: Manhart, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                 > > To: 'John Wright' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [MFG-SMARTCAM]
>                 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Murdoch, Christoph
>                 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Irwin, John
>                 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>                 > > Sawickyj, Teofil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                 > > Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:20 PM
>                 > > Subject: RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > >John,
>                 > > >
>                 > > >We just had a 1-1/2 hour demo of Master cam milling
> level 2
>                 > > V7 & V8 beta
>                 > > >(2-1/2 axis) the modeler is very nice solid
>                 > > extruding/subtracting unlimited
>                 > > >construction lines nice trimming dimensioning, all the
> toys.
>                 > >  It drilled
>                 > > >holes quite well, didn't face mill very well and the
> work
>         planes for
>                 > > >indexing around a Horizontal machine's index table were
> not as
>         easily
>                 > > >created, there is also no automatic resequencing of
> tool path
>         or tool
>                 > > >sorting once tool path is created other than grabbing
> each
>         machining
>                 > > >operation off a list and repositioning the whole
> operation
>                 > > as a unit in a
>                 > > >different order.  It's one main flaw is you can't edit
> he tool
>         path
>                 > > elements
>                 > > >that are generated.  The demo guy did a pocketing cut
> which
>                 > > had a lot of
>                 > > >repetitious passes through the a valley which you could
> have
>                 > > doctored up in
>                 > > >SmartCam but would have been nightmare to deal with
> weeding
>                 > > out of the
>                 > > >actual G-code.
>                 > > >The translator from AutoCAD would only get the wire
> frame
>                 > > elements for the
>                 > > >.dwg file so you still had to write out a .sat file
> from
>                 > > AutoCAD and import
>                 > > >the .sat into MasterCam to get the solid model.
>                 > > >The mold/die making package (available for another
> $1,400)
>                 > > looked good
>                 > > >though, it had a lot more gouge checking in it than
> SmartCam.
>                 > > >
>                 > > >I guess we may need it to keep up with the changing
> versions
>                 > > of translators
>                 > > >to still be able to import Cad files, but It still
> needs
>                 > > more development.
>                 > > >
>                 > > >P.S. They did say in one of the next versions tool path
>
>                 > > editing is going to
>                 > > >be added!
>                 > > >
>                 > > >Marty
>                 > > >
>                 > > >
>                 > > >
>                 > > >> -----Original Message-----
>                 > > >> From: John Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>                 > > >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:25 PM
>                 > > >> To: [MFG-SMARTCAM]
>                 > > >> Subject: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
>                 > > >>
>                 > > >>
>                 > > >> Anybody ever tried MasterCam?
>                 > > >> If so how did it compare to smartcam.
>                 > > >>                              Thank's  John
>                 > > >>
>                 > > >>
>                 > >
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