I haven't received the book yet but there is a good argument for creating new 
currency at the proper rate, despite the fact that human nature will defile the 
process for doing it.  Consider a small boatload of people stranded on an 
island that agree on some non-expandable form of currency to use in lieu of 
barter and assume that there is just enough of this currency to accommodate the 
exchange of the seafood, farm produce and the limited manufacturing capability 
and other services they might have.   Now imagine what the situation would be 
many years later when the population has quadrupled and so have all the trade 
requirements.  With a fixed money supply the prices of everything would need to 
be 1/4 of what they were originally because there is now  4 times as much stuff 
to be exchanged but no more money to do it with.  No motivation to save money, 
so banks would not be a profitable business.  They'd be stuck in the world of 
barter.  I know that I don't have the right goods and services to offer as 
barter to everybody that I'd like to buy stuff from, so my goods and services 
would end up being traded way too many times (with the attendant markup at each 
step) before reaching the ultimate user.
  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jason C 
  To: Ray Ayala ; [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:31 PM
  Subject: Re: NMC: Oil futures bidded up by the Hedge Funds. And about 
themonetary system...


  Let me know what you think.

  BTW you can buy the latest edition from the website, unsure if Amazon's is 
the same.

  You can also download an ebook version for $10, catch is you can only read it 
on the PC you download it onto, and you can't print it.

  Ray Ayala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    I ordered the book from Amazon.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jason C 
      To: [email protected] 
      Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:00 AM
      Subject: NPC: NMC: Oil futures bidded up by the Hedge Funds. And about 
themonetary system...


      No comments on the links I sent, eh?


      Jason C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
        Please, enough partisan talk - the Republicrats are bowling on the same 
team, and they're creaming us, on the other team.

        I agree with the petition.  However, the MAIN reason oil prices are 
going up is the HEDGE FUNDS run by Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JP 
Morgan Chase.  Why are they doing it?

        http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/0502.html

        --QUOTE--
        "today's oil prices are really determined is done by a process so 
opaque only a handful of major oil trading banks such as Goldman Sachs or 
Morgan Stanley have any idea who is buying and who selling oil futures or 
derivative contracts that set physical oil prices in this strange new world of 
"paper oil." "


        BTW the amount of capital the above top 4 hedge funds have is on the 
order of EIGHT years of the USA's economic output.  Yes, EIGHT.

        Interestingly the same companies that own these hedge funds, are the 
same top corporate contributors to O-bomb-uh and McSame.  Just look at Obama's 
top 10 list - in there are  Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JP Morgan 
Chase.  He ain't gonna turn his back on them:

        http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

        Now look at McSame:
        http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424

        Same four hedge fund companies.


        To help you understand the hedge funds and the rest of the financial 
cartel, read this book.  It was a REAL eye opener for me (I used to think the 
gold standard was a panacea, for instance):

        http://webofdebt.com


        Wonderful allusions to "The Wizard of Oz".  It's a stunningly good book 
which goes into the lots of historical detail of money and money politics, fiat 
currencies and the gold standard, from 5,000 years ago, through Europe's middle 
ages, and the birth of the USA to the present, including the present subprime 
mortgage mess which has the economy teetering on a precipice, as well as the 
currency speculation attacks by the same Hedge Funds on the Asian "tigers" in 
the 90s (Thai Baht currency crisis), and the attacks on the Mexico and Brazil 
in the 70s and 80s.

        The central banks create money out of nothing (aka "fiat" money), and 
LOAN it to government, expecting to be repaid WITH interest(!). (this is called 
"debt based fiat currency")   This is done via "monetizing the debt" by the 
Fed. The commercial banks do the same to consumers and corporations via 
"Fractional reserve banking". This system was invented several hundred years 
ago in Europe, and was one of the causes of the American Revolution.  This 
system is the reason for the spiralling unpayable debt of the federal 
government today.

        The financial corporations that got rich off of this back then are 
still alive and well today.  The ramifications of this system (debt based fiat 
currency) are well explained in the book.  This begs the question:  Why doesn't 
government create its own money for its own expenses (called "non-debt based 
fiat currency"), instead of giving the power to create money to a private 
corporation (i.e. the Federal Reserve), which collects interest on it?  

        Several alternate fiat systems and asset backed currencies, and banking 
models, and attempts at such, are discussed in the book. 

        Caution: if you're like me, a voracious reader, you can't put this book 
down.





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