"This begs the question: Why doesn't government create its own money for its own expenses (called "non-debt based fiat currency"), instead of giving the power to create money to a private corporation (i.e. the Federal Reserve), which collects interest on it?"

IIRC my history correctly... Napoleon tried to do just that....


Jason C wrote:
No comments on the links I sent, eh?


*/Jason C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

    Please, enough partisan talk - the Republicrats are bowling on the
    same team, and they're creaming us, on the other team.

    I agree with the petition.  However, the MAIN reason oil prices
    are going up is the HEDGE FUNDS run by Morgan Stanley, Goldman
    Sachs, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase.  Why are they doing it?

    http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/0502.html

    --QUOTE--
    "today's oil prices are really determined is done by a process so
    opaque only a handful of major oil trading banks such as Goldman
    Sachs or Morgan Stanley have any idea who is buying and who
    selling oil futures or derivative contracts that set physical oil
    prices in this strange new world of "paper oil." "


    BTW the amount of capital the above top 4 hedge funds have is on
    the order of EIGHT years of the USA's economic output.  Yes, EIGHT.

    Interestingly the same companies that own these hedge funds, are
    the same top corporate contributors to O-bomb-uh and McSame.  Just
    look at Obama's top 10 list - in there are  Morgan Stanley,
    Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase.  He ain't gonna turn
    his back on them:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
    <http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638>

    Now look at McSame:
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424
    <http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424>

    Same four hedge fund companies.


    To help you understand the hedge funds and the rest of the
    financial cartel, read this book.  It was a REAL eye opener for me
    (I used to think the gold standard was a panacea, for instance):

    http://webofdebt.com


    Wonderful allusions to "The Wizard of Oz".  It's a stunningly good
    book which goes into the lots of historical detail of money and
    money politics, fiat currencies and the gold standard, from 5,000
    years ago, through Europe's middle ages, and the birth of the USA
    to the present, including the present subprime mortgage mess which
    has the economy teetering on a precipice, as well as the currency
    speculation attacks by the same Hedge Funds on the Asian "tigers"
    in the 90s (Thai Baht currency crisis), and the attacks on the
    Mexico and Brazil in the 70s and 80s.

    The central banks create money out of nothing (aka "fiat" money),
    and LOAN it to government, expecting to be repaid WITH
    interest(!). (this is called "debt based fiat currency")   This is
    done via "monetizing the debt" by the Fed. The commercial banks do
    the same to consumers and corporations via "Fractional reserve
    banking". This system was invented several hundred years ago in
Europe, and was one of the causes of the American Revolution. This system is the reason for the spiralling unpayable debt of the
    federal government today.

    The financial corporations that got rich off of this back then are
    still alive and well today.  The ramifications of this system
    (debt based fiat currency) are well explained in the book.  This
    begs the question:  Why doesn't government create its own money
    for its own expenses (called "non-debt based fiat currency"),
    instead of giving the power to create money to a private
    corporation (i.e. the Federal Reserve), which collects interest on
it?
    Several alternate fiat systems and asset backed currencies, and
    banking models, and attempts at such, are discussed in the book.

    Caution: if you're like me, a voracious reader, you can't put this
    book down.


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