Keep in mind, the more timing you can get in there under boost "without
knocking", the *longer* it will last as you will be dropping the EGTs.
Previous poster's E85 suggestion is a good one, although the link won't
let you swap maps so easily.


Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6967 (sales)
970-464-5600 (tech support)
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www.fmwestfield.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:44 PM
To: Alpinaturbo
Cc: MataPowerList
Subject: Re: Stock 1.6l w/FM2 kit,mechanical limits with regard to boost
and advance?

I am the buyer of his car, he was running water injection as well.

Regards,
Vito Caputo

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:41:19PM -0700, Alpinaturbo wrote:
> Dear friend Mike Shapiro ran 1.6 for years and tens of thousands of
miles, selling eventually the car/no failure, at 18-20psi running 100
octane and advanced timing.
> Many on M.net have done it, data is available, just search.
> No need to take any opinion for guidance, look for owner feedback with
data points to build a case for forming an informed belief.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:01 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > i been following this since Christ was a corporal, and a properly
tuned 15psi has always been the safe limit that I have heard of.    on a
1.6 thats about 220rwhp.
> > 
> > these normally durable engines are very unforgiving of detonation
under boost.
> > 
> > a set of low comp pistons and better rods really pays off if you can
sustain the cost of those and a rebuild.
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Stock 1.6l w/FM2 kit, mechanical limits with regard to 
> > boost and advance?
> > From: Alpinaturbo <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tue, July 27, 2010 6:49 pm
> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > 
> > Ian
> > 
> > 1.6 does not generate torque and this rod breaking stress like 99 
> > and up 1.8
> > 
> > I am confident into 18psi on stock 1.6 w/t28 maximized on e85
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Jul 27, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Ian McCloghrie
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Jul 27, 2010 [email protected] wrote:
> > >> My question is what are the safe limits of boost and ignition 
> > >> advance one can run when there's enough octane to not knock? When

> > >> do the rods and/or pistons give up on the stock 1.6l?
> > > 
> > > The general feeling seems to be that once you start exceeding 250 
> > > rwhp (at stock rev limit) you should worry about the life of your
rods.
> > > 
> > > Not sure about pistons -- most failures of those that I've seen on

> > > the net seem to be head/detonation-related, rather than power.
> > > 
> > > --Ian
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