This is probably a good time to mention again that NICKNAME should be added hCard as another alternate to FN and N for the required naming entry. In this way, hCard could be reused for the name in chat and IRC conversations.
Also, enter/leave are used inside of non-irc conversations, but seemingly only in chat methods that allow more than two conversers. For instance, the MSN Messenger example displays enter/leave messages. Perhaps a look at chatrooms would be in order? I understand AOL has a large number of chatrooms here: http://www.aim.com/chats.adp but I don't have the AIM client installed, so I can't check what the saved log files look like. Yahoo! has one here: http://chat.yahoo.com/ but I don't have the Y! client installed so I don't know if it will work through that. It might only do the Java client, which I can't figure out a way to save a log from. Atamido "Christopher St John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to have a microformat for IRC chat logs. People publish them on the web with alarming regularity in a wide variety of formats, but it would be useful if they were consistently represented so that basic info (what said what when, and who entered and left the conversation at what point) could be more easily extracted. Specifically, I'd like to be able to correlate, in space and time, many real-time events as captured on the web so that they can be played back later or observed from afar as a consistent set. IRC logs (presumably the backchannel of a conference session, but could be anything) are one thing it would be useful to capture. One option (documented on the chat-examples/formats pages) is to auto-generate both a human-readable version of the log and a separate machine readable (rdf or xml) version. I won't discuss that option further :-) There has been some suggestion that IRC chat logs are part of a more general idea about "conversations" that may or may not include things like plays, skits and scripts, or possibly non-IRC-like conversations recorded on the web. I think they are not, and would like to see IRC-like chat logs get their own microformat. Plays, skits and scripts aren't records of conversations, they're instructions to perform particular actions. Although the actions obey a general ordering, it's expected that some of them take place simultaneously and even in cases where the timing is explicitly specified, it's generally aproximate ("at 6m 32s into Act 2 Scene 3, Horatio enters" seems strange) Scripts for plays are a bigger, more complex problem than IRC chat logs. Non-IRC conversations[1] are potentially much closer. More examples are probably needed, but I'll observe that there are no timestamps, and no enter/leave messages. I suppose it's a judgement call, but it seems to me that adding optional elements like that ("just leave out the timestamps and some other stuff") makes the format more complex, less specific, and harder to parse and author. But hey, I got a point of view. It's certainly reasonable to continue to look for real world examples, but it would help to agree at least aproximately on the scope. -cks [1] http://kitta.net/2006/02/01/i-am-heartbroken/ -- Christopher St. John http://artofsystems.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
