Thanks. I subscribed to the page. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin West Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:28 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!
Mike, this is great. I really like it. Remember to check back and make sure progress is happening. Feel free to give me a nudge if I'm unresponsive. Ben On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Would you mind confiming this on the to-do page under my name [1]? > > I added, see if it is what you were wanting... > > >> If it somehow differs from the suggestions there (under information > architecture) would you please explain how it differs? > > Okay. Note I did not change anything outside my comments, I just > added my comments. > > >> Also please list your specific suggestions, as well as, if > >> possible, > where content for the pages you suggest may be gleaned, > > The current microformat pages (i.e. > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/) and any they reference. I think this will become obvious during reorganization. > > >> and which pages would need new content that doesn't yet exist. > > I think any list I create on my own (beyond my first list, which is > just a starting point) will be ill-conceived and incomplete. They > need to be gleened during the process of reorganization as a collective effort. > > >> I think you may have illuminated the intent more clearly than it > >> has been > explained so far, and so your refinement on the wiki would be very helpful. > > Thanks for the ack. > > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Benjamin West > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:12 AM > To: Microformats Discuss > Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included! > > Mike, > > Thanks for you suggestion. I believe this is exactly what cgriego and > Andy and I have just suggested. Would you mind confiming this on the > to-do page under my name [1]? If it somehow differs from the > suggestions there (under information architecture) would you please > explain how it differs? Also please list your specific suggestions, > as well as, if possible, where content for the pages you suggest may > be gleaned, and which pages would need new content that doesn't yet exist. > > I think you may have illuminated the intent more clearly than it has > been explained so far, and so your refinement on the wiki would be very helpful. > > Thanks, > Ben > > [1] <http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture> > > > On 10/16/06, Mike Schinkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree that the current layout is confusing. After reading several > > of these email I would like to make a suggestion that is smaller > > scope than an entire reorganization (which still might be a good > > idea.) > > > > Tantek suggests that "the specifications are not tutorials" and > > others have said that they (think newbies would be) interested in > > authoring, not the specification and I concur. > > > > What if we use a convention that the entry page (i.e. > > http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard) would be an index into a list of > > (psuedo) standardized sub pages so that it would be very people to > > find what is important to them. For example, is a list of potential > > sub > pages: > > > > * Specification > > * Tutorial > > * Examples > > * Use cases > > * Reference > > * Discussion > > * Brainstorming (might be combined w/Discussion) > > * Implementations > > * Related Pages > > * Further Reading > > * All (Uses Mediawiki's "includes" to create a page including all > > sub pages; very useful for printing & reading offline) > > > > These pages would be located respectively at > > > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Specification > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Tutorial > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Examples > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Use_cases > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Reference > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Discussion > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Brainstorming > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Implementations > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Related_Pages > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/Further_Reading > > * http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard/All > > > > Please note I am suggesting an architecture not a specific list of > > sub pages. The list of sub pages should be defined by both reviewing > > existing information during site reorganization, and then via > > discussion on the list in an attempt to discover and extract which > > sub pages are needed for most/all microformats. > > > > Hope this is useful... > > > > -Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Benjamin West > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:29 PM > > To: Microformats Discuss > > Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included! > > > > On 10/16/06, Justin Thorp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ben, I really like your idea of giving the wiki a better sense of > > organization. > > > > > > > Justin, thanks, but this isn't my idea. Many others have expressed > > their ideas and desires as well. > > > > > Is it possible within MediaWiki to have some type of sidebar > > > navigation > > with this site organization on it? > > > > Interesting idea. Would you mind suggesting this on the to-do page? > > You can create your own section or feel free to put it under mine. > > If enough people comment in my section, I'll split the whole section > > off as it's own Wiki Improvement section. Please add this to > > http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Ben_West_.28bewest.29 under > > information architecture. Be sure to leave your name. > > > > > I think this would help users to better find the information that > > > they are > > looking for. For example, I am a user who could care less about the > > specification and cares more about how to write an hCard or hCalendar. > > I want to see whats possible and some examples. > > > > So your first inclination is authoring? What kind of websites do > > you author? Are you more of a graphic designer or a web developer? > > > > If there were a landing page for a specific microformat (as Andy and > > cgriego have suggested. I beleive I'm hearing more and more > > consensus on this.) that had large items such as: > > * What is this? > > * What can I do here? > > * Show me a demo. > > * Create an hCard > > > > Which one would look most promising? If create an hcard went to the > > hcard creator, would this suprise you? > > > > > I didn't even see that there was a page on authoring within the > > > pages and > > pages of specification. Even with it at the top of the page. I > > glanced right over it. > > > > > > It seems like most tutorials on hCard or hCalendar point people to > > > the > > spec to get more information. Should we be encouraging people to > > point to the authoring page? I think a newbie would be very very > > very intimidated being pointed right to the spec. > > > > > > > Call me sick, but this is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking to > collect. > > I've added it to <http://microformats.org/wiki/wiki-feedback>. 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