Justin,
Great input. Let me see if I can summarize it in bullet form:
* Bleeding Edge Adopters
* Looking for new things
* Might be looking/adopting things for the sake of coolness/newness
* uF's seem new and cool?
* Probably little exposure to uF (did they see it mentioned in a
blog, search, or conference?)
* Veteran Experts
* Fulfilling obligations from above
* Trusted expertise for business decisions
* Referred from a non-expert source to check viability
First Experience:
* Quick Background/Overview
* Short Salient Examples
* Cheat Sheet for Authorship
* Tools
* Authoring
* Parsing
* More Resources
* Authoritative Spec
* Examples
Something like that?
Ben
On 10/18/06, Justin Thorp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think the people reading the articles about microformats and jumping into the
spec cold are the early adoptor web developers. My uneducated opinion is that
microformats is a fairly new movement.
Regardless, it seems like it would be in the best interest of what we are
trying to do to write all of our stuff and organize it so that it also works
for the 50 year old web systems programmer who may be slow to adopting
(stubborn) new technologies but was told by his boss he has to look at the
business applications of adopting microformats.
If I land on Microformats.org for the first time, just wanting to learn, I am
going to be looking for something that says intro or new or tutorial. It needs
to answer the who, what, when, where, why, and how. It shouldn't use jargonny
language.
If I am new and reading about hCard or hCalendar for the first time. I want to
figure out BRIEFLY what the background is. I don't need a history of vCard.
I'd want some examples. Id want to know about what sites use them. I'd want
tools to help build them. Id want a list of all the different class names and
where I can and can not use them (the rules). I'd leave semantic principles in
a doc that you can link to. Maybe mention it briefly.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Justin Thorp
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Justin,
Would you mind visiting
<http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Information_Architecture> and
adding your support?
While we're on the subject of newbies, if they first hear about
microformats from the sources you mentioned, what kind of people are
they? Are they graphic designers? Web developers? Business people?
It appears that microformat newbies are the kind of people that go to
conventions.
What do these people expect when they visit for the first time? Most
web browsing is task-oriented. Do they want to find out how to author
microformats? Learn more about what they are? Find out why they
exist?
Ben
On 10/18/06, Justin Thorp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really like this idea. What if the landing page for the microformat wasn't
the spec but it was some warm and fuzzy intro for newbies? It could then link to
the spec for those that were interested to it.
>
> A good example of this would be the W3C WAI's intro for WCAG that they give
you before you get sent right into WCAG 1.0.
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag
>
> I would expect that a lot of newbies start off hearing about microformats on
tutorials like:
> http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/
> http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/how-to-use-microformats
>
> Or from presentations like:
> http://tantek.com/presentations/2006/09/microformats-practices/
>
> They get linked to the spec and then get offly confused.
>
> -justin thorp
>
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> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/17/06 3:39 PM >>>
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> West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
> >Regarding the specs bit, I meant to refer to the various stages of the
> >process. The spec landing page might contain the big questions, with
> >a status section pointing to pages dedicated toward how the spec is
> >moving through the process, and with the "learn more" section pointed
> >at the spec itself.
>
> If the "spec itself" is on a secondary page, then the "landing" page
> isn't the spec.
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