Dougal Campbell > I disagree. I think that the people who are likely to > produce/consume a 'nsfw' tag have a moderately similar > (though vague) notion of what is or isn't safe for most > people's work places.
In certain countries, a picture of a topless woman would be "sfw" whereas in others a picture of woman's uncovered face would be considered "nsfw." It is rather myopic and (unconsciously) arrogant to presume other's culture are moderately similar to one's own. > any more than the concepts of 'friend', > 'acquaintence', or 'spouse' in XFN have to be defined. Those concepts are far more cross-cultural than that for offensive material. > Alice > might flag something as 'nsfw', whereas Bob might consider > the same content 'sfw'. That doesn't invalidate Alice's > personal opinion and her desire to warn others that the > destination link might be questionable in some way. In fact, > the designation might not even reflect whether or not the > content is 'safe' in Alice's workplace, but merely that she > recognizes that it might not be appropriate for *some* > workplaces. You need to consider what Microformats are for. They are there to provide for automated processing. So yes while it is fine for Alice and Bob to write that things are "nsfw" or "sfw", or send emails to friend with a link where they mention that it is "nsfw", but I would argue that is not the same as using markup meant for machine processing. The former allows the human reader to evaluate the context, the latter has no intelligence with which to evaluate context. Consequently I would argue that microformats usage should be as objectively universal as possible. More simply said, it is fine for people to type "NSFW" next to a link they put on a web page, but to encode it for machine processing would be a mistake. > Some metadata represents subjective opinions, not objective > facts (e.g., hReview). Opinions vary. Ergo. Reviews are opinions by nature but that which defines something as a review is rather objective. Further, one need look at the use case with which the microformat would be applied. hReview allows aggregators to find reviews, "nsfw" would allow system to censor content. Those are two very different use-cases so even if there were some subjectively in what was considered a review and what wasn't, someone would get a longer list of reviews where many are not so good as opposed to content being sensored by "nsfw." Now if the proposal is instead to include identifiers that are objective, I'd be far more supportive of that: <img src="..." class="nudity" /> <img src="..." class="violence" /> <img src="..." class="contains-the-f-word" /> <img src="..." class="sexual-acts-depicted" /> <img src="..." class="beastiality" /> <img src="..." class="christian-sacrilege" /> <img src="..." class="islamic-sacrilege" /> <img src="..." class="jewish-sacrilege" /> <img src="..." class="woman-sans-burka" /> Of course this could lead to a long list if we tried to cover all bases, but "nudity" and "violence" might be a start. Are there other classes you are concerned about? BTW, there is are a few others to specifically consider ;-) <img src="..." class="catholic-sacrilege" /> [1] <img src="..." class="swearing-in-using-the-koran" /> [2] <img src="..." class="pictures-of-mohammed" /> [3] <img src="..." class="goatse-related" /> [4] IMO, censorship is a very serious issue[5] and we should always err on the side of censoring less, not more. Of course if you are of the mind that censorship is a good thing, then my arguments may not be compelling for you. -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ [1] http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002/07/10/italy-porn.htm [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_Oath_Controversy_of_the_110th_United_Stat es_Congress [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse [5] http://progressives.typepad.com/broadview/images/justiceDouglas_0.gif _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss