On 1/8/08 12:08 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >>>> properties!=values. types/schema are not "just as much" data. >>> >>> You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary >>> distinctions. >> >> Please stop making the assumption of lack of foundation logical flaw. > > I made no "logical flaw". You posted assertions; and made no attempt to > substantiate them. The logical flaw is the *assumption* that your statement made that there was no (or appeared to be no) foundation/substantiantion for my assertion. You can't know that, therefore the assumption is invalid. Such invalid assumptions do not contribute to debate, and are not helpful. As I said, rather than assuming a lack of substantiation, simply ask for it, as the guidelines indicate. >> http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-list#Avoid_logical_flaws >> >> <http://microformats.org/wiki/logical-flaws#Assumptions_of_lack_of_foundatio >> n_or_justification> > > Posting URLs of your own assertions on the wiki as though they were > evidence contributed little to the debate. Those are not my assertions, but merely documentation of a logical flaw. If you dispute that logical flaw, please indicate *why* you think that logical flaw is itself flawed, perhaps in a nested list item, on the wiki. >>> Consider: >>> >>> street- vs. extended- address >> >> sub-properties of adr property >> >>> >>> given- vs. additional- name >> >> sub-properties of n property >> >> >>> work- vs. home- tel >> >> *values* for 'type' sub-property of tel property. > > Arbitrary distinctions. Not arbitrary, but based on distinctions made in vCard, hence I cited: >> These distinctions come from RFC 2426 as well as >> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-design-methodology >> Read both carefully to understand these distinctions better. > > I'm fully aware of both the source and meaning of those terms. Then I suggest re-reading RFC2426 to better understand the source of the distinctions, rather than categorizing them as "arbitrary". >> <theoretical example deleted> > > The examples were not theoretical, but real (though surname changed out > of courtesy to the person concerned. Please provide a URL to a public resource on the Web to substantiate the assertion that they are "real" for the purposes of microformats. >>>> Hence why microformats focus on real world examples on the web that are >>>> also *common*. >>> >>> And people *commonly* publish what are clearly and unambiguously (to >>> humans, but not, without the additional mark-up of a microformat, to >>> machines) home or work telephone numbers, without saying as much on the >>> page. >> >> Same thing. needs real world example URL. please document on hcard-issues. > > <http://tinyurl.com/2w4r3v> Thank you. Please document on hcard-issues. Tantek _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
