Notice that they have an itemscope in HTML5, something many people
talked about on microformats.org for years. A few years ago it was
brought up on a regular basis by newcomers, about twice a year; said
newcomers were then driven out of the community. So there was
discussion, just not very nice nor very productive. When I worked for
Alexa, I had actual parsing uses-cases for such a feature as well as
publishing use-cases and I was one of those newcomers, not the first and
not the last. Not everyone tried to follow the process but I did, to the
same end. After everything, the elitism of uf.org turned me off to the
whole effort. That's not to say uf.org isn't full of nice, intelligent
people — it is — just that I decided not to waste my time trying to be
in the cabal. And this email is not intended to beat a dead horse, just
to share my own experiences. ~D
On 6/29/2011 2:55 AM, thomas lörtsch wrote:
Hi all,
I don't want to discuss the schema.org effort in general here, although there surely
is a lot to discuss about it. My question is how collaboration between Google.com and
microformats.org is organized, where it's taking place, who is involved. I'm sure
there is and has always been some informal exchange, since people happen to know each
other, meet at confernces or other events etc, and of course that's fine with me. I
was wondering though when I read the following statement in a transcript of the
Schema.org BOF at SemTech
2011<http://www.w3.org/2011/06/semtech-bof-notes.html>:
[...]
Kevin Marks: Microformats says have a discussion first. You did that with
hRecipe, so I'm surprsed to see you didnt go through that here. That'a the
difference in phsilophy
Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open
community on both hReview-aggregate and hRecipe - openly.
[...]
Kevin Marks: hRecipe was a great example of how Google can do this.
[...]
This sounds like quite some conversations, discussions and thorough work. Now I wonder: how specifically did
that "great" and "successfull" work "with the open community" go? Where did it
take place? Who was involved? And what exactly was worked out?
I won't hesitate to admit that I wasn't a very good editor of hRecipe since summer 2009
but I still am the editor as indicated on the hRecipe wikipage. I wasn't contacted by
anyone regarding Rich Snippets, Schema.org or any other Google activity. Also I couldn't
find any mention on the mailinglists or on the wiki. So, please: what's going on, what
did I miss? Or how is this "open"?
Since Schema.org now promotes a recipe vocabulary that is slightly different
from hRecipe and also more elaborated I would like to discuss what to do about
that: maybe analyze the differences, observe uptake, then align hRecipe where
appropriate etc. But before I start to work on that I'd like to understand what
happened until now.
Cheers,
Thomas Lörtsch
°|´< in pursuit of the gestalt of it all />
^^^
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