Derrick, If something was "brought up on a regular basis by newcomers", provide the URLs, otherwise we are right to dismiss your assertion.
No one was "driven out". We've had to ban a few trolls for negative behaviors for fixed periods of time, but haven't had to do any such thing for over a year (maybe 2) now. If you had "actual parsing uses-cases for such a feature as well as publishing use-cases", at what URL did you document them? If you consider requiring documentation on the web/wiki and being rigorous as "elitism of uf.org" then, yes, you're not going to be very productive. And you're right, developing microformats is not for everyone - only those that are willing to document their work and be scientific in their methods. If you consider "science" to be a cabal, then you're not going to find much sympathy and should take your name-calling elsewhere. Document your work on discoverable URLs (preferably on the wiki) or don't bother complaining. Tantek -----Original Message----- From: Derrick Pallas <derr...@pallas.us> Sender: microformats-discuss-boun...@microformats.org Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:33:52 To: Microformats Discuss<microformats-discuss@microformats.org> Reply-To: Microformats Discuss <microformats-discuss@microformats.org> Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe Notice that they have an itemscope in HTML5, something many people talked about on microformats.org for years. A few years ago it was brought up on a regular basis by newcomers, about twice a year; said newcomers were then driven out of the community. So there was discussion, just not very nice nor very productive. When I worked for Alexa, I had actual parsing uses-cases for such a feature as well as publishing use-cases and I was one of those newcomers, not the first and not the last. Not everyone tried to follow the process but I did, to the same end. After everything, the elitism of uf.org turned me off to the whole effort. That's not to say uf.org isn't full of nice, intelligent people — it is — just that I decided not to waste my time trying to be in the cabal. And this email is not intended to beat a dead horse, just to share my own experiences. ~D On 6/29/2011 2:55 AM, thomas lörtsch wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't want to discuss the schema.org effort in general here, although there > surely is a lot to discuss about it. My question is how collaboration between > Google.com and microformats.org is organized, where it's taking place, who is > involved. I'm sure there is and has always been some informal exchange, since > people happen to know each other, meet at confernces or other events etc, and > of course that's fine with me. I was wondering though when I read the > following statement in a transcript of the Schema.org BOF at SemTech > 2011<http://www.w3.org/2011/06/semtech-bof-notes.html>: > >> [...] >> Kevin Marks: Microformats says have a discussion first. You did that with >> hRecipe, so I'm surprsed to see you didnt go through that here. That'a the >> difference in phsilophy >> Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open >> community on both hReview-aggregate and hRecipe - openly. >> [...] >> Kevin Marks: hRecipe was a great example of how Google can do this. >> [...] > > This sounds like quite some conversations, discussions and thorough work. Now > I wonder: how specifically did that "great" and "successfull" work "with the > open community" go? Where did it take place? Who was involved? And what > exactly was worked out? > I won't hesitate to admit that I wasn't a very good editor of hRecipe since > summer 2009 but I still am the editor as indicated on the hRecipe wikipage. I > wasn't contacted by anyone regarding Rich Snippets, Schema.org or any other > Google activity. Also I couldn't find any mention on the mailinglists or on > the wiki. So, please: what's going on, what did I miss? Or how is this "open"? > > Since Schema.org now promotes a recipe vocabulary that is slightly different > from hRecipe and also more elaborated I would like to discuss what to do > about that: maybe analyze the differences, observe uptake, then align hRecipe > where appropriate etc. But before I start to work on that I'd like to > understand what happened until now. > > Cheers, > Thomas Lörtsch > > > > °|´< in pursuit of the gestalt of it all /> > ^^^ > > >_______________________________________________ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss _______________________________________________ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
