Hello Mr. Grandmaitre,

I have thought to try the same for a family house we bought, currently under 
rehabilitation. The available water pressure from the municipal provider is something 
like 2.5 bar. Since the tap and all the sanitary installations at the first floor are 
not higher than 5 meters from the ground, it would be eventually enough to have:

1. 0.5 bar is enough for:
    - water closed basin;
    - bath tub or even jacuzzi (with built in pumps);
    - bathroom or kitchen water sink;
    - gardening applications;
    - washing machines (dishes or clothes);

2. 1 bar is a must for:
    - shower installations;
    - gas heating plants or boilers (20-50 kW).

So, you must eventually split the home piping for these 2 type of consumers.

However, let's say that one can use a small propellor type pico-turbine, similar to 
the plastic helical wheels you find inside a regular water meter. A normal flow (5 
minutes to fill a 250 liter bath tub) could be something like 0.75 l/sec. If you use 
this pico-turbine, you will take 1.5 out of the 2.5 bar available, but then you will 
only be able to get 0.3 l/sec (12 minutes to fill the bath tub). From these you can 
get something like 15 W, at a 30% efficiency. With this energy you could eventually 
run 2-5 toy cars. Obviously, 12 Vdc should be the solution, charging some battery.

If you take a normal family water consumption of 30 m3/month, it'll produce something 
like 15*30000/0.3/3600 = 0.5 kWh of electric energy each month. For comparison, an 
efficient refrigerator consumes roughly 1 kWh/day. So, you can save 2% of your 
refrigerator energy cost, which is quite low. Very little indeed.

These are just assumptions, I would appreciate some real life facts, if someone in the 
group tried this.


BR,

Radu Babau,
Owner & Responsible,
VARSPEED Hydro Ltd., Romania
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Yves Grandmaitre 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:30 AM
  Subject: [microhydro] micro hydro turbine


  Dear Group,

  I have enjoyed the pleasure of reading many of the dispatches going through the site 
and have gained much insight into the design of turbines and installations. I have a 
application requiring a micro turbine. This would be a very small unit, generating in 
the mA range or less. It would be powered off of household water pressure. Has anyone 
ever designed something this small or have a design they feel could be scaled down to 
this level?

  Many Thanks
  Yves Grandmaitre
  VP Sales and Marketing

  Powerbase Automation Systems Inc.
  150 Rosamond Street
  Carleton Place, Ontario
  K7C 1V2

  phone 613-253-5258 XT30
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