Keady - sadly the writer of this factual message came in unidentified. I'm
guessing someone learned and respected like Jeff Shane or even Mister Mifsud.
No matter, my criticism was not the process but the bombast.
Traditionally, as the Peru negotiations illustrate these matters are negotiated
by the striped pants crowd (no disrespect intended) in a quiet, civilized, but
tough manner, as far as i know. Something like "this is what we want and if we
don't get it, this is what's going to happen". And if there is an impasse, then
we follow through. I ask "when was the last time a bilateral dispute made the
media?"
Here we have bombast, threats, raging huge print headlines" Headlines are for
the sadness in Gaze, the Air India crash and Stormy Daniels. Not some front
page bullying.
Thanks for the reply and analysis. I say this is a perfect example about why
the Mifnet exists
On Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 04:35:59 PM PDT, Mail Admin via Mifnet
<mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote:
Jack, For three years the U.S. Government attempted to "handle" this dispute
through diplomatic channels, high-level meets between ministers/secretaries,Â
and informal discussions between civil aviation experts. Over that period of
time the U.S. repeatedly warned the Government of Mexico and the two airlines
that joint venture ATI could be terminated for Delta-Aeromexico. That dispute
also was the basis for suspending the procedural schedule on the Allegiant/Viva
Aerobus ATI application. The Government of Mexico, from my perspective,Â
essentially has stone-walled the USG and its concerns for those three years. If
Mexico is able to resolve this dispute within days, it should have done so a
long time ago.Â
   I was at DOT when the USG terminated the U.S.-Peru air service agreement
and commercial flights by U.S. and Peruvian airlines between the two countries
ceased. The dispute that time was over the Peruvians' refusal to authorize
Braniff International's fifth freedom flights from Lima to other countries in
South America. Those fifth freedom rights were specifically authorized under
the U.S.-Peru agreement, so Peru was in direct violation of its bilateral
obligations. Several face-to-face diplomatic negotiations were held to settle
the dispute with no resolution. I do not remember the precise length of time
air services were suspended between the U.S. and Peru, it could have been a
year or more. The USG essentially told the Peruvians at the last "diplomatic"
meeting to "give us a call" when they had changed their position.
     I distinctly remember receiving short notice to get on the next VARIGÂ
flight from LAX to Lima (ironically as a fifth freedom passenger) to join DOT
Assistant Secretary Matt Scocozza in an emergency meeting requested by Peruvian
authorities to reach a settlement and new agreement which included approval of
Braniff's fifth-freedom schedule by Peruvian authorities. When Braniff received
official notice of approved schedules, direct flights between the U.S. and
Peru were allowed to resume. In case you are interested, I was in Los Angeles
at the time visiting relatives, a real blessing because my flight was non-stop,
and on VARIG. Matt, who was in DC, had to journey on three separate flights,
one DC to Miami, and two on foreign airlines through third countries to get to
Lima.  Rgds, Roz
On Wednesday, July 23, 2025 at 03:08:35 PM EDT, Jack Keady via Mifnet
<mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote:
keady asks "couldn't this have been handled by the people at DOS like we've
done ofr 10 years.
Although, having said this, does anyone remember when we had a conflict with
Peru (I think) and went for a year or two with no nonstop service Peru- U.S.
Anyone enlighten me on that?
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Mexico expects to resolve aviation dispute with US within days
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Mexico is planning on compromising with the U.S. over sticking points on
aviation, the nation's president said on Tuesday, with one airline predicting
that an agreement would come in the next few days. On Saturday, the U.S.
Department of Transportation rolled out orders requiring Mexican airlines to
submit flight schedules and threatening to reject requests if the Mexican
government did not address U.S. concerns over flight changes in Mexico City.
U.S. officials also proposed scrapping antitrust immunity for the joint venture
between Delta Air Lines and Aeromexico to address competitive issues. Kylie
Madry/Reuters Related: US cargo airlines welcome DOT aviation sanctions on Mexi
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