After I responded I realized the entire situation begged the question -- didn't anyone even ask the impact on the safety of ATC? Is that even a question that is asked at all no matter the facility?
Cheers -- Kathryn On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 11:03 AM randy essell <randy.ess...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Agree 100% on checks and balances. As an airline I am going to schedule > to the max. If the max is 55 arrivals an hour, that’s what I’ll strive > for. If the FAA/ATC wants to knock that down to 50, I’ll question, but > I’ll schedule to 50. > Nobody, including the airlines, wants an unsafe operating environment. > > Randy > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 1, 2025, at 9:12 AM, Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet < > mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > > > I wasn't talking about ATC as capitalism. And I totally agree that "Actually > offering air traffic control on a fee for service basis would likely be > much *better* than relying on congressional appropriations to invest in > proper technology to support safe and efficient transportation." > > Randy, yes, you are right. Maximizing operations is, of course, what > everyone strives for. And, it is too easy for us to assume the worst as I > did. I'm just saying there needs to be checks and balances. Pollyanna. > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 9:49 AM Gary Leff via Mifnet < > mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: > >> Kathryn, >> >> >> >> In the U.S., air traffic control is a government-provided function. It >> is literally not capitalism. >> >> >> >> Actually offering air traffic control on a fee for service basis would >> likely be much *better* than relying on congressional appropriations to >> invest in proper technology to support safe and efficient transportation. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 1, 2025 7:44 AM >> *To:* Doug Church <dchurc...@gmail.com> >> *Cc:* mifnet@lists.mifnet.com; Kathryn Creedy <kcre...@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 73467] Re: What????!!!! >> >> >> >> Tom, I'm not surprised but we have our priorities upside down and I'm >> sick of it. Yes, that's why I said Pollyanna here. Doug, yes very tough >> day. But I'm not so sure that what failed wasn't ATC but the system of how >> we run it. Another example of deviant capitalism. Glad to see the airline >> cited as a contributing factor to this chaos. That's the biggest problem. >> Cheers -- Kathryn >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 8:34 AM Doug Church <dchurc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Not to take away from anything Kathryn wrote - clearly the pressure to >> move as much traffic as possible into and out of DCA is a highly-charged >> and consequential issue and safety concern. Hence why the phrase from >> controllers - "Make It Work" - was such a flashpoint and focus of >> discussion in the hearing yesterday. >> >> >> >> But in my view, here's the biggest news of the hearing yesterday, which >> is captured in Kathryn's linked Washington Post story's headline: >> >> >> Tower failed to warn plane of Black Hawk’s path before D.C. crash, FAA >> says >> >> It was the first acknowledgment by the Federal Aviation Administration of >> a possible error by the controller in the moments before the collision that >> claimed 67 lives. >> >> >> >> Very tough day for all of us who love aviation, especially those of us >> who love air traffic control and the dedicated professionals who do that >> job. But nowhere near the unspeakably tough days that the families and >> loved ones of the victims have to endure. >> >> >> >> -Doug Church >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 8:12 AM Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet < >> mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> wrote: >> >> Controllers told investigators that they didn’t feel outside pressure to >> keep up with the pace, but FAA managers described how American Airlines — >> the biggest operator at the airport — designed a compressed schedule that >> effectively increased traffic. The approach was based on the carrier’s >> financial incentives, one of the managers said. An American manager >> testified Thursday that the airline had tried to make changes after >> visiting the tower. >> >> >> >> “No one will stop them,” Lehman said. “So, I don’t know how American has >> this much pull … but it’s a wink-wink that people know what’s going on.” >> >> >> >> Okay, pollyanna here but where are the checks and balances? >> >> >> >> “The real culprit was the FAA’s regulatory system at DCA, which depended >> on three things: absolute altitude control, clear communications and >> precise timing. All of which failed tragically that evening,” said Alan >> Diehl, an aviation safety consultant, using the three-letter airport code >> for National. >> >> >> >> No, the real culprit is congress ignoring FAA's needs. >> >> >> >> Kathryn >> >> >> >> https://wapo.st/3IXAlah >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kathryn Creedy >> PHONE # 321 405 4395 >> >> US-Eastern Time Zone >> >> *Twitter*: @kcreedy >> >> *Visit me on LinkedIn* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Revised: 20250507 >> >> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >> >> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >> exactly cost-free. 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