Surely ATC safety is the number one priority when setting the standards. Using 55/hour as the example, it must have been engineered by a group at FAA as the maximum “safe” number. Right?
Randy On Aug 1, 2025, at 10:09 AM, Kathryn Creedy <kcre...@gmail.com> wrote: After I responded I realized the entire situation begged the question -- didn't anyone even ask the impact on the safety of ATC? Is that even a question that is asked at all no matter the facility? Cheers -- Kathryn On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 11:03 AM randy essell <randy.ess...@hotmail.com<mailto:randy.ess...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Agree 100% on checks and balances. As an airline I am going to schedule to the max. If the max is 55 arrivals an hour, that’s what I’ll strive for. If the FAA/ATC wants to knock that down to 50, I’ll question, but I’ll schedule to 50. Nobody, including the airlines, wants an unsafe operating environment. Randy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2025, at 9:12 AM, Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com<mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: I wasn't talking about ATC as capitalism. And I totally agree that "Actually offering air traffic control on a fee for service basis would likely be much better than relying on congressional appropriations to invest in proper technology to support safe and efficient transportation." Randy, yes, you are right. Maximizing operations is, of course, what everyone strives for. And, it is too easy for us to assume the worst as I did. I'm just saying there needs to be checks and balances. Pollyanna. On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 9:49 AM Gary Leff via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com<mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: Kathryn, In the U.S., air traffic control is a government-provided function. It is literally not capitalism. Actually offering air traffic control on a fee for service basis would likely be much better than relying on congressional appropriations to invest in proper technology to support safe and efficient transportation. Best, Gary From: Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com<mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2025 7:44 AM To: Doug Church <dchurc...@gmail.com<mailto:dchurc...@gmail.com>> Cc: mifnet@lists.mifnet.com<mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>; Kathryn Creedy <kcre...@gmail.com<mailto:kcre...@gmail.com>> Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 73467] Re: What????!!!! Tom, I'm not surprised but we have our priorities upside down and I'm sick of it. Yes, that's why I said Pollyanna here. Doug, yes very tough day. But I'm not so sure that what failed wasn't ATC but the system of how we run it. Another example of deviant capitalism. Glad to see the airline cited as a contributing factor to this chaos. That's the biggest problem. Cheers -- Kathryn On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 8:34 AM Doug Church <dchurc...@gmail.com<mailto:dchurc...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not to take away from anything Kathryn wrote - clearly the pressure to move as much traffic as possible into and out of DCA is a highly-charged and consequential issue and safety concern. Hence why the phrase from controllers - "Make It Work" - was such a flashpoint and focus of discussion in the hearing yesterday. But in my view, here's the biggest news of the hearing yesterday, which is captured in Kathryn's linked Washington Post story's headline: Tower failed to warn plane of Black Hawk’s path before D.C. crash, FAA says It was the first acknowledgment by the Federal Aviation Administration of a possible error by the controller in the moments before the collision that claimed 67 lives. Very tough day for all of us who love aviation, especially those of us who love air traffic control and the dedicated professionals who do that job. But nowhere near the unspeakably tough days that the families and loved ones of the victims have to endure. -Doug Church On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 8:12 AM Kathryn Creedy via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com<mailto:mifnet@lists.mifnet.com>> wrote: Controllers told investigators that they didn’t feel outside pressure to keep up with the pace, but FAA managers described how American Airlines — the biggest operator at the airport — designed a compressed schedule that effectively increased traffic. The approach was based on the carrier’s financial incentives, one of the managers said. An American manager testified Thursday that the airline had tried to make changes after visiting the tower. “No one will stop them,” Lehman said. “So, I don’t know how American has this much pull … but it’s a wink-wink that people know what’s going on.” Okay, pollyanna here but where are the checks and balances? “The real culprit was the FAA’s regulatory system at DCA, which depended on three things: absolute altitude control, clear communications and precise timing. All of which failed tragically that evening,” said Alan Diehl, an aviation safety consultant, using the three-letter airport code for National. No, the real culprit is congress ignoring FAA's needs. Kathryn https://wapo.st/3IXAlah -- Kathryn Creedy PHONE # 321 405 4395 US-Eastern Time Zone Twitter: @kcreedy Visit me on LinkedIn -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revised: 20250507 You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. 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