Hope you r right. On Tue, Oct 14, 2025, 7:00 PM Karl L. Swartz via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote:
> > The law is very clear: the *Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of > 2019* guarantees back pay for all federal employees—both those furloughed > and those deemed "essential" and required to work—after a funding lapse. > > > OMB doesn’t entirely agree: > > > https://www.axios.com/2025/10/07/trump-memo-furloughed-federal-workers-backpay > > > -- Karl > > > On Oct 14, 2025, at 12:50 PM, David Wardell via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Replying to the thread generally, > > Much of the federal government is not shut down now. The VA, for one > example, has separate appropriations for some of its services (the most > essential ones), which do not expire on September 30; many remain in place > through December. Why air traffic control is not the object of a special > appropriation is beyond my limited comprehension. > > The administration has problems with its messaging. > > Although the president said several things about back payments to federal > workers, what he (appeared) to mean is that such funding would need to be > part of whatever agreement is ultimately reached (others in the > administration said as much). I would think that this is so because the > money to pay such workers must come from somewhere, but the payments > themselves should not be in doubt. > > The law is very clear: the *Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of > 2019* guarantees back pay for all federal employees—both those furloughed > and those deemed "essential" and required to work—after a funding lapse. > > I will say that many federal employees, here in the Washington DC area at > least, realize that these (pointless) shutdowns are inevitable, so they > create a “rainy day” fund for these instances. Clearly this practice does > not apply to everyone. > > Finally, my political friends are telling me that they expect some > movement after the 18th, as some congressional leaders are looking to use > the shutdown to make a political point connected with another large protest > planned in DC for that day. > > We shall see. > > Old Man Wardell > > > > *David Wardell* > > (757) 561-0582 > > [email protected] > > <image001.png> <https://wardell.us/url/b5s86> > > <image002.png> <https://wardell.us/url/s9qvz> > > > > *From:* Doug Church via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2025 3:03 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Tom Windmuller <[email protected]>; Doug Church < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 74495] Re: Sorry Kristi - ATC Shutdowns > > Simon, yes this is correct - U.S. controllers are forced to work without > pay during shutdowns. Their current paycheck is a partial one that includes > payment for only the dates they worked before the shutdown began two weeks > ago. Their next paycheck in two weeks will be $0 unless the shutdown ends > before the next pay period does. > > It would be illegal for controllers to strike or otherwise withhold their > services out of protest during this time. They would be fired and the union > could be decertified. > > They will be paid after the shutdown ends for the total amount of days the > shutdown lasted. Unless of course President Trump decides not to pay them. > He already has hinted at not paying some or all U.S. federal workers who > are currently furloughed and not working during this shutdown. He would set > up a battle with Congress should he decide not to pay federal workers back > pay for missing paychecks during this shutdown. > > -Doug Church > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 9:56 PM Tom Windmuller via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > > ……..and in the meantime, local banks and credit unions are often more > forgiving (e.g. waiving late fees or allowing agreeing to skip a > monthly mortgage re-payment). > > tom w. > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 22:49 bob.poole--- via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Simon, > > > > My understanding, after enduring a growing number of partial government > shut-downs, is that controllers have always been promised back pay once the > shut-down is over, and have always received it. I don’t know if that is > legally enforceable, but that is how it has worked each time, to the best > of my non-legal knowledge. > > --Bob Poole > > > > *From:* Simon Brown via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2025 4:29 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 74489] Re: Sorry Kristi - ATC Shutdowns > > > > I have a question about US ATC shutdowns. I understand that if the budget > or whatever is not approved then the controllers don’t get paid, yet they > are still expected - mandated even - to continue working. Is this correct? > If so, how can it be that someone can be expected to work if they don’t get > paid, even if there is a “no strike” agreement enforced in some federal > contracts? If I had bills to pay for my house, car, kids’ food etc, and my > contracted money isn’t coming in, then I need to find another job quickly, > even if it’s just a temporary driving or labouring job to rake in some cash > to keep the wolf from the door. I’d argue they’re not going on strike, > they’re just fulfilling their half of a legal contract, ie no money = no > work. > > > > Or have I misunderstood this? > > > > Simon > > > > *From:* ERIC Smith via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Sent:* 13 October 2025 18:54 > *To:* Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Cc:* ERIC Smith <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 74482] Sorry Kristi > > > > ....Eric > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2025/10/13/kristi-noem-shutdown-video/ > > > Airports in Phoenix, Portland, Seattle and other cities have declined to > display a video in which Homeland Security Secretary Kristi L. Noem blames > congressional Democrats for the government shutdown and related travel > delays, citing the “political nature of its content,” according to local > authorities and news reports. > > > “We continue to urge bipartisan efforts to end the government shutdown and > are working to find ways to support federal employees working without pay > at SEA during the shutdown,” a Port of Seattle spokesperson said in an > email Monday... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revised: 20250507 > > You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. > > The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't > exactly cost-free. 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