Doug is right on, as usual. I might add that back in the day, when I was not a member of the Union, I had to work through a sick-out. Many controllers called in sick just prior to the shift they had to work. Only lasted about three days, I think, but they were not pleasant days. Screwed up the system pretty well. As things returned to normal doctor's notes were the coin of the realm. Keep your pad ready Simon, might be an opportunity for a few extra pounds.
One side story to this action. F. Lee Bailey claimed that the controllers misinterpreted something he said on the Tonight Show and that's why they didn't show up for work. F Lee flew a Learjet , call sign 808LJ. That was burned into the brain of all Union members. Ah, them was the good ole days. Cheers Jim Loos On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 3:04 AM Doug Church via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote: > Simon, yes this is correct - U.S. controllers are forced to work without > pay during shutdowns. Their current paycheck is a partial one that includes > payment for only the dates they worked before the shutdown began two weeks > ago. Their next paycheck in two weeks will be $0 unless the shutdown ends > before the next pay period does. > > It would be illegal for controllers to strike or otherwise withhold their > services out of protest during this time. They would be fired and the union > could be decertified. > > They will be paid after the shutdown ends for the total amount of days the > shutdown lasted. Unless of course President Trump decides not to pay them. > He already has hinted at not paying some or all U.S. federal workers who > are currently furloughed and not working during this shutdown. He would set > up a battle with Congress should he decide not to pay federal workers back > pay for missing paychecks during this shutdown. > > -Doug Church > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 9:56 PM Tom Windmuller via Mifnet < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> ……..and in the meantime, local banks and credit unions are often more >> forgiving (e.g. waiving late fees or allowing agreeing to skip a >> monthly mortgage re-payment). >> >> tom w. >> >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 22:49 bob.poole--- via Mifnet < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Simon, >>> >>> >>> >>> My understanding, after enduring a growing number of partial government >>> shut-downs, is that controllers have always been promised back pay once the >>> shut-down is over, and have always received it. I don’t know if that is >>> legally enforceable, but that is how it has worked each time, to the best >>> of my non-legal knowledge. >>> >>> --Bob Poole >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Simon Brown via Mifnet <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2025 4:29 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Cc:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 74489] Re: Sorry Kristi - ATC Shutdowns >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a question about US ATC shutdowns. I understand that if the >>> budget or whatever is not approved then the controllers don’t get paid, yet >>> they are still expected - mandated even - to continue working. Is this >>> correct? If so, how can it be that someone can be expected to work if they >>> don’t get paid, even if there is a “no strike” agreement enforced in some >>> federal contracts? If I had bills to pay for my house, car, kids’ food etc, >>> and my contracted money isn’t coming in, then I need to find another job >>> quickly, even if it’s just a temporary driving or labouring job to rake in >>> some cash to keep the wolf from the door. I’d argue they’re not going on >>> strike, they’re just fulfilling their half of a legal contract, ie no money >>> = no work. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or have I misunderstood this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* ERIC Smith via Mifnet <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* 13 October 2025 18:54 >>> *To:* Mifnet <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* ERIC Smith <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* [Mifnet 🛰 74482] Sorry Kristi >>> >>> >>> >>> ....Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2025/10/13/kristi-noem-shutdown-video/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Airports in Phoenix, Portland, Seattle and other cities have declined to >>> display a video in which Homeland Security Secretary Kristi L. Noem blames >>> congressional Democrats for the government shutdown and related travel >>> delays, citing the “political nature of its content,” according to local >>> authorities and news reports. >>> >>> >>> >>> “We continue to urge bipartisan efforts to end the government shutdown >>> and are working to find ways to support federal employees working without >>> pay at SEA during the shutdown,” a Port of Seattle spokesperson said in an >>> email Monday... >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Revised: 20250507 >>> >>> You are receiving The Mifnet because you requested to join this list. >>> >>> The Mifnet is largely a labor of love, however the infrastructure isn't >>> exactly cost-free. 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