I'm assuming many MifNetters have seen this, it's a short video, "Tough Sledding" from Northrup. It's definitely dated but the early days of ejection seats are in the WayBack as well.
https://youtu.be/8z1OZKec1_A?si=D8oDrtB9g93p7bQT Borfitz On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 9:14โฏAM Tom Ronell via Mifnet < [email protected]> wrote: > > > These guys are almost all claiming aircraft technical issues. Maybe some > are not admitting what they did, but when you meet dozens and dozens and > the stories are mostly routine cross country with aircraft failures, it > becomes remarkable. > > TR > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *srbrown--- via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *CC: *[email protected] > *Date: *2026-01-05T13:01:07Z > *Subject: *[Mifnet ๐ฐ 75031] Re: weird ejection story > > There has always been much higher losses in training or peacetime > operations than war time. This isn't necessarily a result of technical > issues with the aircraft but just mishandling or flying into things at high > speeds (including runways). Also from losing control through disorientation > and the other generally quite dangerous stuff military aircrew get up to > and have to practice, like tactical take-offs and landings on the bigger > aircraft and similar capers they get up to. Back in the warbird years those > large single-pistons were (and are) a real handful, especially when flying > slow (which, of course, is when you are also close to the ground). > Similarly the large piston twins presented major asymmetric handling > challenges. I think the UK's Canberra bomber (B57 in US parlance) killed > more crew practicing asymmetric training than it did from actual engine > failures, which always ignited the debate as to whether it was even worth > training for engine failures at take off rather than just practicing > asymmetric flying higher up. The same argument rears its ugly head again > and again regarding spinning training in smaller aircraft. > > Fast jets would often struggle when heavily laden, particularly with > underwing stores which added further problems even at higher speeds when > manoeuvring, such as toss bombing or taking evasive action. > > To add some modern context, the total RAF aircrew fatalities in the first > Gulf War numbered 5. Eight aircraft were lost, four to enemy fire. Each > with two crew per aircraft (all Tornado GR1s which was present in the > largest numbers). During my three years on the peacetime front line the RAF > F4 fleet of six squadrons buried eight guys (ie four aircraft worth). > Another four, maybe six, ejected successfully. Causes varied, some remain > unknown. At least four guys I went through my various stages of training > with were also killed on other aircraft. Only one attempted to eject. He > was on a US training exchange in the T38 which had an inferior seat. HAd he > been sat on a fairly basic Martin-Baker Mark 4 seat (circa 1950s-60s > vintage) with its zero feet, ninety knots limit (ie not a "rocket seat")it > would have saved him from the T38 parameters he found himself in. Such is > life. Two were flying Jaguars which had less margins for error (one was a > low level mid-air). The other was in an F3 Tornado and, just for national > balance, had he been flying anF14 with its automatic wing sweep he > wouldn't have died. The RAF F3's were factory-fitted with automatic wing > sweep but it was never cleared for operational use for reasons I never > discovered. We also didn't have life jackets that automatically inflated on > contact with the water, unlike the USA's aircrew, so if you were > unconscious after ejecting you were fish food. At least the US forces could > recover a body if nothing else. (cf Goose in Top Gun #1. But I digress, as > always). A Canberra crashed in about 1977 when I was in my final year in > school, just five miles from the local base where my Dad was stationed, > also flying on those Canberras. That was a nervous phone call home. Another > asymmetric practice, another three killed, including the Station Commander > (Group Captain/full Colonel rank) who was doing his annual rating check. > That sparked discussions in the official accident report about > "cross-cockpit authority gradients" . The instructor pilot was junior > officer rank but who knows what actually happened in those crucial seconds? > > Simon > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tom Ronell via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Sent:* 05 January 2026 07:42 > *To:* The Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Tom Ronell <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Mifnet ๐ฐ 75030] Re: weird ejection story > > > I have a Martin-Baker story, too: they held a reception on Capitol Hill > for all of their ejection survivors. In speaking to those who I met at this > reception, I was struck by the fact that the vast majority had ejected > during routine peacetime flights. > > Mentioning my surprise at this and wondering about the maintenance of the > aircraft which necessitated so many routine peacetime ejections, instead of > being received as concern about the well-being of the aviators, the Marines > with whom I went and had availed themselves of the open bar, interpreted > that observation as an accusation that the ejectees were pussies who > ejected needlessly, precipitating quite a fracas. > > A few years later, at the Paris Air Show, Rick Hatton, founder of 10 > Tanker, expressed his amazement that I am still alive. When reminded that I > am younger and in better health than he, Rick said that was not his > reasoning. I suppose that Martin-Baker reception was but one data point in > his calculation.... > > TR > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *srbrown--- via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *CC: *[email protected] > *Date: *2026-01-05T00:31:57Z > *Subject: *[Mifnet ๐ฐ 75027] Re: weird ejection story > > What I've always found odd about that story is that ejection seats from > Martin-Baker's earlier era didn't deploy the main parachute until the seat > had fallen to below either 10,000 ft . (Or 15,000 ft because different > barometric units could be fitted to the seat to match the terrain you were > flying over). Most ejection seat designs - and certainly all Martin-Baker's > - incorporate a drogue chute which deploys quite quickly after ejection to > stabilise the seat in an upright attitude. This drogue chute will not > deploy the main chute until the barostat has reached its assigned altitude. > This means the pilot would be falling at a bit less than terminal velocity > but fast enough to get him to an altitude where he can breath. Until > reaching that altitude an emergency oxygen bottle, also attached to the > seat, will deliver oxygen in the descent. Once the barostat triggers at > it's calibrated altitude the remaining parachute deployment sequence can > then continue. This involves the release of the main chute, which is > extracted by the drogue, whilst the main seat harness is released such that > the crewman falls away from his seat in his main chute but still attached > to his parachute. All of his other survival equipment is contained in the > seat pan which also comes away from the seat and is dangling beneath him. > > The oxygen bottle is normally attached to the seat so this disappears too > but only below 10,000 ft (or 15,000 ft) which isn't a problem. The US > Navy's seats made by Martin-Baker actually have their emergency oxygen > bottles in the seat pan, so this stays with the crewmembers. This was a USN > specification to give the crewmen breathing oxygen in case they went under > water following an accident off a ship. We poor Brits didn't have such > luxuries provided by our caring employers. In fact I think only the USN had > this feature fitted to their MB seats. (Yeah Fly Navy etc etc). I don't > know what year they started specifying this feature though. > > When I looked into this story after first hearing about it many years ago > I couldn't find a reason why his parachute deployed. Maybe the main chute > didn't but the strength of the thunderstorm still kept him, his seat and > the drogue chute airborne, as described. Maybe if his main chute had > inadvertently deployed early at those altitude it would have been > destroyed, leading to his death. I read that the early F8s had a seat > provided by Vaught which was fairly basic but it's hard to find more > details on those seats. They were soon replaced by Martin-Baker Mark 5 > seats which were superior in performance. The USN has remained the biggest > customer of Martin-Baker seats ever since. (Not the USAF though). I'm not > being a biased Brit by claiming any superior performance of MB seats. The > French and Israelis also used MB seats because of their reliability and > generally superior performance to alternative manufacturers. > > These seats could be quite uncomfortable, even on short flights, but crew > tend to be quite fond of them. There are several euphemisms for ejecting, > including "banging out" (Brit) and punching out" (USA). My favourite came > from a French exchange pilot who referred to it as "saving the furniture". > (Or, more precisely, "*sauver les meubles*", usually mentioned with a > characteristic Gallic shrug). > > Simon > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jack Keady via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 3, 2026 23:37 > *To:* David Wardell via Mifnet <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Jack Keady <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Mifnet ๐ฐ 75022] weird ejection story > > keady > > Old Photo Club > <https://www.facebook.com/Oldphotosclub?__cft__[0]=AZZIaIc5baLXGWKF_6P_isWNHKf0inSTQiovZ0-YV01hiJsOB1V3FONAfoVvKsIFZ8_hxsWAnwwoT9DeWAdhUdLMOcpjG7-RjfNbj9M85HGfOKsV2wcxCAHOmrIwQpP4bPiMXGLcq4rXcCGN0RiNP-b6hDf7VXyVDQpaClZqtjm1hQ0nUixa4Bi-S8sn277tPFGYmRWw9Z5lLiHq3VhbAz2g&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R> > > > <https://www.facebook.com/Oldphotosclub?__cft__[0]=AZZIaIc5baLXGWKF_6P_isWNHKf0inSTQiovZ0-YV01hiJsOB1V3FONAfoVvKsIFZ8_hxsWAnwwoT9DeWAdhUdLMOcpjG7-RjfNbj9M85HGfOKsV2wcxCAHOmrIwQpP4bPiMXGLcq4rXcCGN0RiNP-b6hDf7VXyVDQpaClZqtjm1hQ0nUixa4Bi-S8sn277tPFGYmRWw9Z5lLiHq3VhbAz2g&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R> > Log > in or sign up to view > <https://www.facebook.com/Oldphotosclub?__cft__[0]=AZZIaIc5baLXGWKF_6P_isWNHKf0inSTQiovZ0-YV01hiJsOB1V3FONAfoVvKsIFZ8_hxsWAnwwoT9DeWAdhUdLMOcpjG7-RjfNbj9M85HGfOKsV2wcxCAHOmrIwQpP4bPiMXGLcq4rXcCGN0RiNP-b6hDf7VXyVDQpaClZqtjm1hQ0nUixa4Bi-S8sn277tPFGYmRWw9Z5lLiHq3VhbAz2g&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R> > > See posts, photos and more on Facebook. > <https://www.facebook.com/Oldphotosclub?__cft__[0]=AZZIaIc5baLXGWKF_6P_isWNHKf0inSTQiovZ0-YV01hiJsOB1V3FONAfoVvKsIFZ8_hxsWAnwwoT9DeWAdhUdLMOcpjG7-RjfNbj9M85HGfOKsV2wcxCAHOmrIwQpP4bPiMXGLcq4rXcCGN0RiNP-b6hDf7VXyVDQpaClZqtjm1hQ0nUixa4Bi-S8sn277tPFGYmRWw9Z5lLiHq3VhbAz2g&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R> > > > ยทFollow > January 1 at 4:19โฏAM > <https://www.facebook.com/Oldphotosclub/posts/pfbid02necqB8EPyZ1zF5Jje6Xd7Dr9SytF7KxPNgQtfdpiihB3VtEuvrprn7q4KzCJLzbbl?__cft__[0]=AZZIaIc5baLXGWKF_6P_isWNHKf0inSTQiovZ0-YV01hiJsOB1V3FONAfoVvKsIFZ8_hxsWAnwwoT9DeWAdhUdLMOcpjG7-RjfNbj9M85HGfOKsV2wcxCAHOmrIwQpP4bPiMXGLcq4rXcCGN0RiNP-b6hDf7VXyVDQpaClZqtjm1hQ0nUixa4Bi-S8sn277tPFGYmRWw9Z5lLiHq3VhbAz2g&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R> > ยท > > His engine exploded nine miles above the Earth. What happened next was > worse than falling. > On July 26, 1959, Lieutenant Colonel William Rankin was flying his F-8 > Crusader jet fighter over the southeastern United States when his engine > failed without warning. > He was cruising at 47,000 feet. That is nine miles above the ground. > Higher than Mount Everest. So high that the sky turns black and the air is > too thin to sustain human life. At that altitude, the temperature outside > his cockpit was seventy degrees below zero. > Rankin had only seconds to make a decision. He could try to glide the > crippled jet down to a safer altitude before ejecting, or he could pull the > ejection handle immediately and take his chances. > Smoke filled the cockpit. The controls went dead. He pulled the handle. > The ejection seat rocketed him into the freezing void. The sudden > decompression hit his body like a sledgehammer. At that altitude, the > pressure is so low that fluids inside the human body begin to expand and > vaporize. Pain exploded through his abdomen and his eyes. His emergency > oxygen supply failed. He began losing consciousness almost immediately. > Then his parachute deployed. And that is when his nightmare truly began. > William Rankin had ejected directly into the heart of a cumulonimbus > thunderstorm. > From the outside, these storms look like towering white mountains in the > sky. Pilots avoid them at all costs because inside, they are vertical > hurricanes. Updrafts can exceed one hundred fifty miles per hour. The > violence inside is almost beyond description. > Rankin fell straight into one. > Instead of descending toward Earth, he was caught. Powerful updrafts > seized his parachute and hurled him back upward. Then he was thrown > sideways. Then yanked upward again. He was no longer falling. He was > trapped, spinning inside a living storm that refused to let him go. > Hailstones the size of golf balls hammered his body from every direction. > Lightning cracked so close that he could feel the static electricity > lifting the hair on his arms and smell the sharp burn of ozone in the air. > Thunder was no longer just sound. It was a physical force that slammed into > his chest like a fist. > Rain flooded into his parachute, collapsing it and sending him into > freefall. Then the canopy would reinflate and jerk him violently upward > again. The motion was so brutal that he vomited. He lost consciousness. He > woke up still spinning, still trapped, still being torn apart by forces no > human was meant to survive. > The temperature swung wildly. At the top of the updrafts, far below > freezing, ice formed on his flight suit, his exposed skin, his eyelashes. > Then he would plunge into warmer air and the ice would begin melting, only > to refreeze seconds later when he was hurled back up. > The rain was so heavy it felt like drowning in midair. He gasped for > breath and inhaled water. His lungs burned. His body was bruised and > bleeding from hail impacts. He was hypothermic and frostbitten at the same > time. > Time stopped. Minutes stretched into what felt like hours. He later said > he believed he was going to die inside that cloud, spinning forever, never > reaching the ground. > And then, after forty minutes of impossible violence, the storm finally > released him. > He broke through the bottom of the thundercloud at about ten thousand > feet. For the first time since he ejected, he was falling normally. He > could see trees below. He was descending toward a forest in North Carolina. > Rankin crashed through the tree canopy. Branches snapped around him. His > parachute tangled in the limbs, slowing his fall just enough. He slammed > into the earth, badly injured but somehow still breathing. > For several minutes he lay motionless on the forest floor, unable to > believe he was alive. > Then he stood up. He freed himself from his parachute. He began walking. > His body was covered in welts from hailstones. He had frostbite on his > hands and face. He was bruised from head to toe, bleeding from multiple > wounds, disoriented from oxygen deprivation and trauma. > But he was alive. > He stumbled through the woods until he found a road. Then a farmhouse. A > shocked farmer opened his door to find a battered pilot in a torn flight > suit standing on his porch. > William Rankin looked at him and said simply: "I just fell out of the > sky." > When military doctors and meteorologists heard his story, they were > stunned. No one had ever survived being trapped inside a violent > thunderstorm at that altitude. The conditions he described should not have > been survivable. > Decompression sickness should have killed him. The hailstones could have > knocked him unconscious permanently. The extreme cold should have caused > fatal hypothermia. Lightning could have struck him directly at any moment. > But everything that should have killed William Rankin somehow did not. > He spent weeks recovering from his injuries. Doctors documented severe > bruising, frostbite, minor burns from lightning proximity, and internal > damage from the violent forces that had thrown him through the sky. > In 1960, he published a book about his experience called The Man Who Rode > the Thunder. It remains the only firsthand account of surviving such > conditions. > His testimony helped meteorologists better understand the internal > dynamics of severe thunderstorms. Aviation safety protocols were updated. > Ejection seat designs improved. High-altitude survival training > incorporated lessons from what he endured. > William Rankin continued his military career after recovering. He flew > more missions. He never ejected from another aircraft. > When asked about those forty minutes inside the storm, he said it was the > longest forty minutes of his life. Time had stopped. He had been suspended > between Earth and space, caught in a force so violent it seemed impossible > to escape. > But he did escape. Through training, physical resilience, and a measure of > luck that defies explanation. > He retired from the Marine Corps and lived a quiet life, rarely speaking > publicly about what happened. He passed away in 2009 at the age of > eighty-nine. > More than sixty years after his ordeal, meteorologists still reference his > account when studying severe thunderstorms. Pilots still learn about him in > survival training. His story appears in aviation safety manuals and > meteorology textbooks around the world. > Because William Rankin proved something that science said was impossible. > The human body can endure conditions that should be unsurvivable. 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