Thank you to all who participated! Another awesome session; largest
number of participants yet. Lots of technical traction and interchange
occurred. Stories were updated in Mingle and the Issue Tracker.

awalji = Aliya Walji
bpatnaik = Biren Patnaik
emily = Emily Tucker
hcc = Chris ?
keithrp = Keith Pierce
Kim = Kimloan Ho
meonkeys = Adam Monsen
mparlion = Massimiliano Parlione
Nagesh = Nagesh Pulluru
ravi_kutaphale = Ravi Kutaphale
sam-r-i = Sam Biren
stephenhorgan = Stephen Horgan
vanmh = Van Mittal-Henkle

Full transcript follows. Times listed are in the US/Pacific timezone.

(06:01:27 AM) The topic for #mifos is: Welcome to the microfinance
open source IRC channel - Please have a look (and an edit!) on our
wiki: http://mifos.org/developers - Want to jump in to the code?
http://mifos.org/developers/install-mifos/get-source-code
(06:01:27 AM) mode (+o meonkeys ) by ChanServ
(07:35:21 AM) awalji__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room.
(07:35:22 AM) awalji__ is now known as awalji
(08:00:29 AM) emily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
entered the room.
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entered the room.
(08:52:03 AM) Nagesh_Pulluru is now known as Nagesh
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entered the room.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the
room.
(09:00:26 AM) meonkeys: Setting up for planning poker. Please stand by.
(09:00:33 AM) meonkeys: Participants/observers, for more info on IRC,
see: http://mifos.org/developers/technical-orientation/irc-mifos/
(09:01:04 AM) mode (+vvv emily Kim Nagesh ) by meonkeys
(09:01:04 AM) mode (+v sam-r-i ) by meonkeys
(09:01:08 AM) mode (+v meonkeys ) by meonkeys
(09:01:19 AM) meonkeys: (message removed)
(09:01:30 AM) meonkeys: (message removed)
(09:01:43 AM) ***meonkeys crosses fingers hoping it works
(09:02:07 AM) meonkeys: Note to observers: sorry, not all information
will be shareable. The people with voice in this channel are on a
voice call.
(09:02:47 AM) meonkeys: possible estimates: 1,2,3,5,8,13,20,40
(09:03:12 AM) vanmh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
entered the room.
(09:03:19 AM) mode (+v vanmh ) by meonkeys
(09:03:51 AM) Nagesh left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(09:04:18 AM) mode (+v stephenhorgan ) by meonkeys
(09:04:29 AM) mparlion [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-ea58f6e01c7b2fda] entered the 
room.
(09:04:32 AM) meonkeys: Sam and I are on the line.
(09:04:34 AM) mode (+v mparlion ) by meonkeys
(09:06:41 AM) keithrp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] entered the room.
(09:07:09 AM) mode (+v keithrp ) by meonkeys
(09:07:56 AM) mparlion: Hi
(09:08:04 AM) sam-r-i: hi Max
(09:08:15 AM) sam-r-i: are you able to call in?
(09:08:15 AM) meonkeys: mparlion, keithrp: do you have the call-in number?
(09:08:21 AM) mparlion: nope
(09:08:28 AM) meonkeys: (message removed)
(09:08:31 AM) mparlion: it is not in teh invitation
(09:08:32 AM) meonkeys: (message removed)
(09:08:41 AM) meonkeys: Kim, any luck calling in?
(09:08:46 AM) keithrp: is that long distance?
(09:08:57 AM) meonkeys: Not if you're in the 218 area code. :-/
(09:09:51 AM) meonkeys: Sorry, I didn't even think about that because
Skype charges a flat rate for all land line calls! Yes, this will be a
toll call.
(09:10:02 AM) mparlion: is the number correct
(09:10:05 AM) mparlion: I can't call it
(09:10:07 AM) mparlion: ?
(09:10:21 AM) meonkeys: It's a US number
(09:10:22 AM) sam-r-i: country code?
(09:10:25 AM) meonkeys: 1
(09:10:34 AM) meonkeys: (message removed)
(09:10:50 AM) meonkeys: I think the US country code is 1 or 001
(09:10:51 AM) mparlion: hold on
(09:11:06 AM) Nagesh_Pulluru [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-d75d78ce66feb861]
entered the room.
(09:11:08 AM) Nagesh_Pulluru is now known as Nagesh
(09:11:16 AM) mode (+v Nagesh ) by meonkeys
(09:12:02 AM) Kim: I got in
(09:13:06 AM) meonkeys: Kim, did you call in the number I just provided?
(09:13:20 AM) Kim: yes
(09:13:28 AM) meonkeys: we don't hear you.
(09:13:48 AM) keithrp: Kim and I are on a call, but not sure what call!
(09:14:05 AM) sam-r-i: 2 tables :)
(09:14:53 AM) vanmh: Keith & Kim, maybe you should try calling in again...
(09:14:58 AM) keithrp: ok
(09:14:58 AM) Kim: ok
(09:15:32 AM) meonkeys: We'll go ahead and get started while we're
waiting for you to join the call.
(09:15:48 AM) meonkeys: Story points do not necessarily equate to time
required to implement stories. Rather, the story point value should
indicate the story complexity relative to other stories.
(09:16:28 AM) meonkeys: Story 182 will be first. -- "Mifos Deployment
on Tomcat 6.0"
(09:19:30 AM) meonkeys: task: document differences b/w Tomcat 5.5 and
Tomcat 6, especially stability, performance
(09:20:45 AM) meonkeys: possible estimates: 1,2,3,5,8,13,20,40
(09:20:50 AM) meonkeys: get ready to deal.
(09:21:17 AM) meonkeys: ready, DEAL.
(09:21:23 AM) vanmh: 2
(09:21:23 AM) sam-r-i: 2
(09:21:23 AM) meonkeys: 2
(09:21:24 AM) mparlion: 3
(09:21:25 AM) Kim: 2
(09:21:57 AM) keithrp: yessir - 2
(09:22:45 AM) meonkeys: Max mentions that Tomcat 6 adheres to a
different version of the J2EE spec
(09:23:33 AM) ravi_kutaphale [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-487b16c5e7904246]
entered the room.
(09:23:41 AM) mode (+v ravi_kutaphale ) by meonkeys
(09:24:19 AM) meonkeys: Van mentions he's been using it (but hasn't
done any extensive analysis)
(09:24:27 AM) meonkeys: 6 is supposed to be more scalable
(09:26:27 AM) meonkeys: ready, RE-DEAL.
(09:26:29 AM) meonkeys: 2
(09:26:30 AM) vanmh: 2
(09:26:31 AM) keithrp: 2
(09:26:32 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 2
(09:26:32 AM) Kim: 2
(09:26:32 AM) mparlion: 2
(09:26:33 AM) sam-r-i: 2
(09:26:45 AM) meonkeys: agreed on 2.
(09:27:03 AM) sam-r-i: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/183
(09:27:06 AM) meonkeys: I'll update the card.
(09:27:53 AM) sam-r-i: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/175
(09:38:56 AM) meonkeys: Story #183 appears to be a dupe of #175.
Updated story #183.
(09:39:01 AM) meonkeys: Sam will move Jasper-related bits from story
#175 to another new story.
(09:40:12 AM) meonkeys: we also need to copy Ravi's suggestions from
#183's description to #175
(09:40:42 AM) meonkeys: ready, DEAL.
(09:40:45 AM) vanmh: 3
(09:40:45 AM) meonkeys: 2
(09:40:45 AM) keithrp: 3
(09:40:46 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 8
(09:40:46 AM) Kim: 3
(09:40:47 AM) mparlion: 5
(09:40:47 AM) sam-r-i: 5
(09:43:23 AM) sam-r-i: Van points out that HQL classes may change over
time, which is a problem for upgrade mechanism
(09:44:27 AM) meonkeys: ready, RE-DEAL.
(09:44:28 AM) mparlion: 5
(09:44:28 AM) keithrp: 5
(09:44:28 AM) vanmh: 5
(09:44:28 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 5
(09:44:29 AM) meonkeys: 5
(09:44:30 AM) sam-r-i: 5
(09:44:30 AM) Kim: 5
(09:45:30 AM) meonkeys: agreed on 5.
(09:45:46 AM) sam-r-i: http://mingle.mifos.org:7070/projects/mifos/cards/163
(09:46:43 AM) mparlion: Talent
(09:46:53 AM) mparlion: Talend
(09:46:56 AM) mparlion: sorry
(09:53:17 AM) meonkeys: Beth might have some of the schema designed already.
(09:53:30 AM) mparlion: can you share them with us?
(09:54:02 AM) meonkeys: mparlion: please ask Beth for this.
(09:54:16 AM) mparlion: ok
(09:55:45 AM) meonkeys: Ravi will attach a document of his progress so
far to story #163.
(09:56:18 AM) meonkeys: ready, DEAL.
(09:56:20 AM) keithrp: 8
(09:56:20 AM) vanmh: 3
(09:56:21 AM) meonkeys: 5
(09:56:21 AM) Kim: 8
(09:56:22 AM) sam-r-i: 8
(09:56:25 AM) ravi_kutaphale: 13, because I am new to both talend and BIRT :)
(09:56:36 AM) mparlion: 8
(09:57:04 AM) ravi_kutaphale: dont want to take any risk with low estimates. :)
(09:57:11 AM) bpatnaik [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibm/x-785e265122d645a8] entered the 
room.
(09:57:51 AM) meonkeys: Van clarifies his idea of the scope was using
Talend to map the existing tables to new tables.
(09:58:28 AM) meonkeys: Sam mentions that learning Talend would be
part of the story, and that BIRT isn't involved.
(09:58:49 AM) ravi_kutaphale: tasks involved i) design new report
schema ii) Design ETL iii) Design Report.
(09:59:31 AM) meonkeys: Keith mentions possible trickiness in "magic
numbers" in existing tables and other potential difficulties that may
arise during research of story.
(10:00:19 AM) meonkeys: thanks, ravi_kutaphale.
(10:02:39 AM) mparlion: how many reports do we have to deliver for 1.1
(10:02:41 AM) mparlion: ?
(10:03:03 AM) keithrp: Beth has a handle on that, Max
(10:03:11 AM) Kim left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox
2.0.0.11/2007112718]").
(10:03:32 AM) meonkeys: consensus is that story #163 will be broken
down into three stories and each will be estimated individually.
(10:03:50 AM) keithrp: I think that the answer depends on how these
next reporting stories proceed
(10:04:31 AM) mode (-vvv meonkeys emily keithrp ) by meonkeys
(10:04:31 AM) mode (-vvv mparlion Nagesh ravi_kutaphale ) by meonkeys
(10:04:31 AM) mode (-vvv sam-r-i stephenhorgan vanmh ) by meonkeys
(10:05:01 AM) keithrp left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox
2.0.0.11/2007112718]").
(10:06:13 AM) Nagesh left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox
2.0.0.11/2007112718]").
(10:06:35 AM) meonkeys: thanks all for playing planning poker today!
(10:06:54 AM) meonkeys: You are more than welcome to remain on the channel
(10:07:00 AM) meonkeys: in fact, this is encouraged. :)
(10:26:13 AM) bpatnaik left the room (quit: "ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox
2.0.0.6/2007072518]").
(10:28:28 AM) meonkeys: ravi_kutaphale: I just saw Mingle story card
#181 (Mifos user for MySQL) and added a comment that is hopefully
helpful. Please check it out.
(10:29:26 AM) meonkeys: and would you be opposed to a title such as
"improve Mifos database access security", or something like that?
(10:30:20 AM) ravi_kutaphale: yes adam I will do that.
(10:30:37 AM) meonkeys: thank you.

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