Hi Gbolahan,
Thank you for taking on this project with such dedication. I was
thinking about your request for a new mailing list. I think that since
there is not too much volume on the Mifos Functional mailing list, and
since the discussions will start from a functional perspective, it might
make sense for you to just use that particular channel to start with,
rather than a new mailing list. If the volume gets high enough, then we
could think about setting up a new mailing list. From my perspective
though, it is easier to monitor two mailing lists, rather than three.
What do you think? Will that work to start with?
Thanks,
Aliya
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Subject: Re: [Mifos-developer] [Mifos-functional] Mifos Mobile
Hello All,
Recently, within the community it was agreed that we should forge ahead
with MIFOS Mobile. This is meant to be another channel for MIFOS in
addition to the teller option. I will appreciate if we can make
contributions to this project. I have been discussing with Edward Cable
and Sam Birney. To this extent, they have created two pages for the
project. You can go to
http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobileProject, and
http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobile, for furhter details.
Meanwhile, while I appreciate the community efforts in gettng v1.1 out,
I think it will be alright if we start having volunteers for the MIFOS
Mobile project.
As earlier, I have requested if we could start another mailing list on
MIFOS Mobile so that we can develop the project faster. We will
appreciate your contribution
Thank you,
Gbolahan Oshonubi
Intelligent Network Services Ltd
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Phone Regional Training)
Hello All,
Further to make MIFOS Mobile a success, I am aware that Grameen
Foundation is planning a training in the Philipines this month. To this
extent, I would like to know if Grameen Technology Centre is planning to
send a representative to the programme. If yes, can we look at
integrating a discussion on MIFOS Mobile concept at the training and see
how MIFOS Mobile can further impact positively on the Village phone.
Some of the issues to consider in the model include how we can use MIFOS
Mobile along with Village Phone as a banking channel, social and
economic implication and possibly regulatory implications.
I believe this will help in getting some directions for the project.
Information about this training can be found at
http://www.villagephonedirect.org/contents/
Thank you,
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Subject: RE: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
Gbolahan,
To facilitate the ease of collaboration on the Mifos Mobile Project and
help the community drive it forward, I've set up a couple pages on our
Wiki - I pulled all of Tim's document out into an introduction page,
http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobile, and also set up a
Project Page to make ongoing work public to the Mifos community,
http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobileProject.
I look forward to seeing this take flight and wish you the best of luck
in leading these efforts.
Cheers,
Ed
From: Sam Birney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
Hi Gbolahan,
I hope to get to meet you in person someday. To be clear, the Mifos
internal team is VERY interested in having a mobile phone interface to
banking operations in the Mifos system. Like everyone in this
community, we have lots of big dreams, but only limited time and
resources to pursue them all.
Our belief is that after v1.1 is successfully launched, we, the internal
team of developers, need to concentrate our efforts on improving the
underlying architecture of the product and community backbone to
facilitate this type of project and many more like it in the future.
So, it would be a great step forward for the Mifos vision to see a
community-driven Mifos Mobile concept take flight, and turn into ideas
that eventually make it into the Mifos product.
Here is how I suggest we move forward.
* We at the Grameen Technology Center would encourage and support you,
Gbolahan Oshonubi, to be the project leader for the initial phases of
Mifos Mobile.
* The project leader should reach out to all the people in the community
who have expressed interest in contributing to this project, and
coordinate with them on goals.
* If there is enough overlap in shared goals, the project leader should
seek commitments from those interested and define the goals of the
collaborative project.
* The project leader should set up a way for the project team to
communicate. I would strongly recommend that you use the existing Mifos
community tools, which will improve over time: http://mifos.org,
irc://freenode/#mifos, these mailing lists, the Mifos issue tracker,
etc.
* The project team should work together to define the statement of
success for reaching the goals of the project. I would humbly propose a
few, but the project team may well find better ones:
- the usefulness of a mifos.org project page for Mifos Mobile
- agreement on customer/user requirements for a first version of this
mobile interface
- a working proof of concept of at least one mobile operation in
Mifos
* I would also encourage you to follow the principles of open source:
Liberty, Openness, Transparency, Deliver Early and Often, Community,
* You may even be able to obtain funding for the project from interested
investors, that is really not my area of expertise so I cannot help you
with that.
I will be happy to watch as this project grows and flourishes, as I am
sure many people on these lists will be, but will only be able to offer
occasional advise if asked.
thanks and best wishes,
Sam
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Gbolahan Oshonubi wrote:
Hi Sam,
Really, it is a good thing to see it that way. It is highly expected
that to reduce the cost of penetration and operation in MF operations,
the role of mobile banking is really great. Having seen what was done
with Grameen Village Phone on one side and G Cash on the other side, it
will be a good thing to follow this steps. While the MIFOS internal team
may not be interested in the Mifos Mobile concept, I think the community
can take a step to it. If you know the starting point, kindly point us
to it. For others who may be interested, we may need to put in more
efforts behind the scene.
Kindly let us see how we can kick off.
Thank you,
Gbolahan Oshonubi
Intelligent Network Services Ltd
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Mobile +234-8023175974
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From: "Sam Birney"
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:38 PM
To: "Mifos functional discussions" , Developer
Subject: [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
The community input towards a mobile banking interface to Mifos keeps
growing. There seem to be several different organizations interested in
working on this. This would be great functionality to add to Mifos,
although the internal team may not be able to focus on it as a feature
area during 2008, we will be working on APIs to provide clean support
and upgrade paths for this type of interface in the future and more.
Tim Wood and Aarti Sharma, who are working on Grameen's Village Phone
project, are also very interested in getting to a proof of concept and
eventual full implementation of mobile banking with Mifos. I think Tim
has done some work on defining some initial usage scenarios that he can
share.
In the spirit of open source, perhaps all the interested groups can
collaborate on coming up with a functional spec, initial technical
design, and proof of concept. I would recommend making a wiki page on
mifos.org for the project.
As Van mentions, one thing to note is that our current Mifos API, such
as it is, will likely change significantly between v1.1 and the next big
release. Our hope is that after that, we will have a stable API, and be
able to provide a smooth upgrade path for any changes to it. Until
then, keep in mind that the interface to Mifos APIs, or eventually Mifos
web services layer, may need to be reworked later. But I don't think
this should stop anyone from thinking through the scenarios and design,
and even a first implementation.
I will be interested to follow along with the development of this
project, it sounds like an exciting step forward for Mifos.
regards,
Sam
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Van Mittal-Henkle wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for your interest in Mifos and for thinking about extending it
into areas like mobile banking.
Currently there is no clean API as such that Mifos exposes. However,
after the 1.1 release of Mifos creating exactly that kind of API is on
our list of things to do. One of the prime motivations for creating a
well documented API like this would be to support integration with
mobile banking.
In the coming months it is likely that there will be some significant
changes to the internals of Mifos as we rewrite parts of the code in
order to support a robust API. It would be very useful to first try to
get an understanding of what the requirements would be to support your
mobile banking application. We could then use that information to help
guide our efforts as we define the Mifos API for integrating with other
applications.
Cheers,
--Van
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Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] Adam- P2P Cash would like to assist in
Hi Tom,
Good to hear that. I was about to send the same message now till I saw
yours. For mobile banking I am interested. We need to look at the
various business models and to integrate it with Grameen model and
MIFOS. In additions, there is another solution on using EFTPOS as one of
the banking channels. We can get some codes and see how we can build on
them. However, we need to know about MIFOS API for this or betterstill
how to put the solutions together
Thank you,
Gbolahan Oshonubi
Intelligent Network Services Ltd
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From: "Adam Monsen"
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:27 PM
To: "Tom Meredith"
Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] Adam- P2P Cash would like to assist in
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Tom Meredith wrote:
> developing a mobile banking interface to your code.
> How would you best suggest we start the process and is anyone else
> interested in assisting as well?
Hi Tom,
I would first suggest signing up on the mailing lists and joining the
IRC channel. This is the best way to keep abreast of community
activity with Mifos.
There isn't a functional spec for mobile banking that I know of, so
you might start with your own proof-of-concept. Here's how to get
started with the code:
http://mifos.org/developers
Looks like we've been thinking about this for a while:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.mifos.devel/1069
Cheers!
-Adam
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