Ed and Adam and I talked about how to collect ideas for improving the
developer-list, since we have a wide range of topics and may get as many as
400 emails on that list this month.
We talked about making the discussion about the community tools a community
discussion in itself. I think Ed will put up an initial wiki for that at
some point and that will be a good starting point.
I like Aliya's suggestion to just use the mifos-functional list for mifos
mobile until such time that we get to enhancing the current lists.
thanks,
Sam
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Gbolahan Oshonubi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi Aliya,
>
> Thanks for the response. I quite agree with you to some extent, with
> respect to managing three mailing list could be very daunting. However, to
> easy get the participation of the community, it may make some sense to have
> a new mailing list. The issue is that MIFOS mobile is an extension of MIFOS
> itself. From what I have noticed for the past two weeks, MIFOS has
> overwhelmed any other discussion on MIFOS Mobile.
>
> While I feels a new mailing list should be created, if you have a better
> idea of how we can use the functional mailing list for MIFOS Mobile and
> still get to carry the community along, I will really appreciate it. My
> primary concern is that there is no progress for quite sometimes. No
> contribution apart from Grameen Technology Centre staff.
>
> Which way do we go to get the project started?
>
> Thank you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi
> Intelligent Network Services Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile +234-8023175974
> Remain blessed
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> ------------------------------
> *From*: "Aliya Walji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Sent*: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:27 PM
> *To*: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Developer" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Cable" <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <
> mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject*: RE: [Mifos-developer] [Mifos-functional] Mifos Mobile
>
>
> Hi Gbolahan,
>
>
>
> Thank you for taking on this project with such dedication. I was thinking
> about your request for a new mailing list. I think that since there is not
> too much volume on the Mifos Functional mailing list, and since the
> discussions will start from a functional perspective, it might make sense
> for you to just use that particular channel to start with, rather than a new
> mailing list. If the volume gets high enough, then we could think about
> setting up a new mailing list. From my perspective though, it is easier to
> monitor two mailing lists, rather than three. What do you think? Will that
> work to start with?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Aliya
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Gbolahan
> Oshonubi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2008 7:32 AM
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Edward Cable;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tim
> Wood
> *Subject:* Re: [Mifos-developer] [Mifos-functional] Mifos Mobile
>
>
>
> Hello All,
> Recently, within the community it was agreed that we should forge ahead
> with MIFOS Mobile. This is meant to be another channel for MIFOS in addition
> to the teller option. I will appreciate if we can make contributions to this
> project. I have been discussing with Edward Cable and Sam Birney. To this
> extent, they have created two pages for the project. You can go to
> http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobileProject, and
> http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobile, for furhter details.
> Meanwhile, while I appreciate the community efforts in gettng v1.1 out, I
> think it will be alright if we start having volunteers for the MIFOS Mobile
> project.
>
> As earlier, I have requested if we could start another mailing list on
> MIFOS Mobile so that we can develop the project faster. We will appreciate
> your contribution
>
> Thank you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi
> Intelligent Network Services Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile +234-8023175974
> Remain blessed
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> *From*: "Gbolahan Oshonubi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Sent*: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:19 PM
> *To*: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <
> mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject*: Re: [Mifos-developer] [Mifos-functional] Mifos Mobile (Village
> Phone Regional Training)
>
> Hello All,
>
> Further to make MIFOS Mobile a success, I am aware that Grameen Foundation
> is planning a training in the Philipines this month. To this extent, I would
> like to know if Grameen Technology Centre is planning to send a
> representative to the programme. If yes, can we look at integrating a
> discussion on MIFOS Mobile concept at the training and see how MIFOS Mobile
> can further impact positively on the Village phone. Some of the issues to
> consider in the model include how we can use MIFOS Mobile along with Village
> Phone as a banking channel, social and economic implication and possibly
> regulatory implications.
>
> I believe this will help in getting some directions for the project.
>
> Information about this training can be found at
> http://www.villagephonedirect.org/contents/
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi
> Intelligent Network Services Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile +234-8023175974
> Remain blessed
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>
> *From*: "Edward Cable" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Sent*: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:23 PM
> *To*: "Sam Birney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Mifos functional discussions" <mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Subject*: RE: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
>
> Gbolahan,
>
> To facilitate the ease of collaboration on the Mifos Mobile Project and
> help the community drive it forward, I've set up a couple pages on our Wiki
> - I pulled all of Tim's document out into an introduction page,
> http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobile, and also set up a
> Project Page to make ongoing work public to the Mifos community,
> http://www.mifos.org/developers/wiki/MifosMobileProject.
>
> I look forward to seeing this take flight and wish you the best of luck in
> leading these efforts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ed
>
> From: Sam Birney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mifos functional discussions
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tim
> Wood; Edward Cable
> Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
>
>
> Hi Gbolahan,
>
> I hope to get to meet you in person someday. To be clear, the Mifos
> internal team is VERY interested in having a mobile phone interface to
> banking operations in the Mifos system. Like everyone in this community, we
> have lots of big dreams, but only limited time and resources to pursue them
> all.
>
> Our belief is that after v1.1 is successfully launched, we, the internal
> team of developers, need to concentrate our efforts on improving the
> underlying architecture of the product and community backbone to facilitate
> this type of project and many more like it in the future. So, it would be a
> great step forward for the Mifos vision to see a community-driven Mifos
> Mobile concept take flight, and turn into ideas that eventually make it into
> the Mifos product.
>
> Here is how I suggest we move forward.
>
> * We at the Grameen Technology Center would encourage and support you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi, to be the project leader for the initial phases of Mifos
> Mobile.
>
> * The project leader should reach out to all the people in the community
> who have expressed interest in contributing to this project, and coordinate
> with them on goals.
>
> * If there is enough overlap in shared goals, the project leader should
> seek commitments from those interested and define the goals of the
> collaborative project.
>
> * The project leader should set up a way for the project team to
> communicate. I would strongly recommend that you use the existing Mifos
> community tools, which will improve over time: http://mifos.org,
> irc://freenode/#mifos, these mailing lists, the Mifos issue tracker, etc.
>
> * The project team should work together to define the statement of success
> for reaching the goals of the project. I would humbly propose a few, but
> the project team may well find better ones:
>
> - the usefulness of a mifos.org project page for Mifos Mobile
> - agreement on customer/user requirements for a first version of this
> mobile interface
> - a working proof of concept of at least one mobile operation in Mifos
>
> * I would also encourage you to follow the principles of open source:
> Liberty, Openness, Transparency, Deliver Early and Often, Community,
>
> * You may even be able to obtain funding for the project from interested
> investors, that is really not my area of expertise so I cannot help you with
> that.
>
> I will be happy to watch as this project grows and flourishes, as I am
> sure many people on these lists will be, but will only be able to offer
> occasional advise if asked.
>
> thanks and best wishes,
> Sam
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Gbolahan Oshonubi wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> Really, it is a good thing to see it that way. It is highly expected that
> to reduce the cost of penetration and operation in MF operations, the role
> of mobile banking is really great. Having seen what was done with Grameen
> Village Phone on one side and G Cash on the other side, it will be a good
> thing to follow this steps. While the MIFOS internal team may not be
> interested in the Mifos Mobile concept, I think the community can take a
> step to it. If you know the starting point, kindly point us to it. For
> others who may be interested, we may need to put in more efforts behind the
> scene.
>
> Kindly let us see how we can kick off.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi
> Intelligent Network Services Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile +234-8023175974
> Remain blessed
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> ________________________________________
> From: "Sam Birney"
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 7:38 PM
> To: "Mifos functional discussions" , Developer
> Subject: [Mifos-developer] Mifos Mobile
>
>
>
> The community input towards a mobile banking interface to Mifos keeps
> growing. There seem to be several different organizations interested in
> working on this. This would be great functionality to add to Mifos,
> although the internal team may not be able to focus on it as a feature area
> during 2008, we will be working on APIs to provide clean support and upgrade
> paths for this type of interface in the future and more.
>
> Tim Wood and Aarti Sharma, who are working on Grameen's Village Phone
> project, are also very interested in getting to a proof of concept and
> eventual full implementation of mobile banking with Mifos. I think Tim has
> done some work on defining some initial usage scenarios that he can share.
>
> In the spirit of open source, perhaps all the interested groups can
> collaborate on coming up with a functional spec, initial technical design,
> and proof of concept. I would recommend making a wiki page on mifos.orgfor
> the project.
>
> As Van mentions, one thing to note is that our current Mifos API, such as
> it is, will likely change significantly between v1.1 and the next big
> release. Our hope is that after that, we will have a stable API, and be
> able to provide a smooth upgrade path for any changes to it. Until then,
> keep in mind that the interface to Mifos APIs, or eventually Mifos web
> services layer, may need to be reworked later. But I don't think this
> should stop anyone from thinking through the scenarios and design, and even
> a first implementation.
>
> I will be interested to follow along with the development of this project,
> it sounds like an exciting step forward for Mifos.
>
> regards,
> Sam
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Van Mittal-Henkle wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your interest in Mifos and for thinking about extending it into
> areas like mobile banking.
>
> Currently there is no clean API as such that Mifos exposes. However,
> after the 1.1 release of Mifos creating exactly that kind of API is on our
> list of things to do. One of the prime motivations for creating a well
> documented API like this would be to support integration with mobile
> banking.
>
> In the coming months it is likely that there will be some significant
> changes to the internals of Mifos as we rewrite parts of the code in order
> to support a robust API. It would be very useful to first try to get an
> understanding of what the requirements would be to support your mobile
> banking application. We could then use that information to help guide our
> efforts as we define the Mifos API for integrating with other applications.
>
> Cheers,
> --Van
>
> ________________________________________
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gbolahan
> Oshonubi
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:37 AM
>
> To: mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: mifos-functional@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] Adam- P2P Cash would like to assist in
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Good to hear that. I was about to send the same message now till I saw
> yours. For mobile banking I am interested. We need to look at the various
> business models and to integrate it with Grameen model and MIFOS. In
> additions, there is another solution on using EFTPOS as one of the banking
> channels. We can get some codes and see how we can build on them. However,
> we need to know about MIFOS API for this or betterstill how to put the
> solutions together
>
> Thank you,
> Gbolahan Oshonubi
> Intelligent Network Services Ltd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile +234-8023175974
> Remain blessed
>
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> ________________________________________
> From: "Adam Monsen"
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:27 PM
> To: "Tom Meredith"
> Subject: Re: [Mifos-functional] Adam- P2P Cash would like to assist in
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Tom Meredith wrote:
> > developing a mobile banking interface to your code.
> > How would you best suggest we start the process and is anyone else
> > interested in assisting as well?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I would first suggest signing up on the mailing lists and joining the
> IRC channel. This is the best way to keep abreast of community
> activity with Mifos.
>
> There isn't a functional spec for mobile banking that I know of, so
> you might start with your own proof-of-concept. Here's how to get
> started with the code:
> http://mifos.org/developers
>
> Looks like we've been thinking about this for a while:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.mifos.devel/1069
>
> Cheers!
> -Adam
>
> --
> Adam Monsen
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