Yeah I think this may be from trying to implement fees for both clients and 
loans.

For clients, it makes sense to have an "upfront" fee versus a periodic fee.

However for loans, there seems to be a different distinction which is what 
Gayl's getting at.

I think for loan fees we should have a different designation for types of fees 
versus for clients.

Kay

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Whitney [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:32 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Mifos-users] Time of charge: Upfront
> 
> And to answer, I think the rules for "upfront" make sense, but the name is
> confusing.  As far as I've seen, upfront is a one time fee that attaches
> itself to the next payment, which could be useful for apply fee's in the
> middle of a loan (especially fees for late payments, etc).
> 
> It may be called up-front because fees are credited in the backend before
> principal and interest, so once it's applied, it would be the first thing
> paid back by the client (ie, up front).
> 
> Agreed though, we could come up with something better.  Any ideas?
> 
> r
> 
> 
> On 8/30/10 16:25, "Gayl Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Ryan.  Why does mifos provide 3 options:
> > to pay upfront
> > pay at disbursement or
> > to pay at time of first loan repayment?
> >
> > That does not seem to be very logical.
> >
> > When we say upfront we mean they pay it at time of application so we
> > will have to work around this.
> > Regards
> > Gayl
> >
> > On 27/08/2010, Ryan Whitney <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Gayl,
> >>
> >> Upfront merely means the fee is attached to the next scheduled payment, 
> >> which
> >> is why its being attached to the first payment when you apply it during 
> >> loan
> >> application.  Time of disbursement is what to you use in the scenario you 
> >> are
> >> referencing.
> >>
> >> If you¹ve applied it to the loan, it won¹t show up under client charges.
> >>  Only charges applied directly to the client appear there.
> >>
> >> r
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/26/10 21:49, "Gayl Kennedy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hello
> >>> I am unclear on what to expect in mifos when the fee is set up to have 
> >>> time
> >>> of charge: upfront.
> >>> To me it means they pay it at time of loan application so it should not 
> >>> show
> >>> in the installments, but when I am reviewing a loan it shows the fees 
> >>> under
> >>> installment #1.
> >>>
> >>> is this a bug or am I misunderstanding how it works?
> >>> It does not show under client charges as being due now even when the loan
> >>> has been approved.
> >>
> >>
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