Better to have and not need than need and not have. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 21, 2014 12:07 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, if he's only taking a single provider at each location and only > using it as fail-over for a couple subnets, I'm not sure he needs full > routes. > > I would take full routes, but I wouldn't be doing it the way he is either. > *shrugs* > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:00:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance > > If you have the hardware for full, do it. > > Do you know the differences? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Mar 21, 2014 11:56 AM, "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Any advice on default vs full or connected routes? > > > > -Ty > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Simon Westlake <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Right, that's what I meant. > > > > > > > > > On 3/20/2014 9:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > > > >> All that comes in the other route is what you advertise out of it. If > he > > >> only advertises a different /21 on each side and a /24 from the > opposite > > >> block out of both sides, then only whatever he's advertising out of > that > > >> interface will work. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> Mike Hammett > > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >> http://www.ics-il.com > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > >> From: "Simon Westlake" <[email protected]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:33:18 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance > > >> > > >> That will make things more complicated if you advertise space out of > > >> both routers. If one goes down, all inbound traffic will start coming > in > > >> through the other router, whether you want it or not. > > >> > > >> On 3/20/2014 8:07 AM, Ty Featherling wrote: > > >> > > >>> Yes I have started the process with both upstreams. I do intend to > > spend > > >>> some time on filters as well, thanks. > > >>> > > >>> Mike, the two networks each have 300Mbps feeds to the internet but > only > > >>> 100Mbps between the two networks via wireless backhaul. For now at > > least > > >>> I > > >>> only want failover for ourselves, some key servers, 2 School > > Districts, a > > >>> hospital, and city/county government. > > >>> > > >>> -Ty > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Casey Mills <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> It has been a while since I set one of these up... But when I did > this > > >>>> there wasn't a need to run BGP between the edge routers. The > > advertised > > >>>> networks should propagate through OSPF. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm sure you have already taken care of this, but make sure your > > >>>> upstream > > >>>> providers will allow you to advertise your new IP space. If they > are a > > >>>> good > > >>>> upstream provider they should be using some filtering and will need > to > > >>>> specifically allow this IP range from your ASN. > > >>>> > > >>>> Like I said it has been a while, but go ahead and setup filters > going > > >>>> both > > >>>> ways for all of the internal IP ranges. I had Cox trying to send me > > some > > >>>> internal IPs at one time. If we had been using those IPs internally > it > > >>>> would have caused a mess. > > >>>> > > >>>> Casey > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Mike Hammett < > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> That would work, but I'm not sure no service is better than slow > > >>>>> service. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- > > >>>>> Mike Hammett > > >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> > > >>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:22:22 PM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I don't want, because I can't accomodate, failover of A to B and B > to > > >>>>> A. > > >>>>> What I do have the bandwidth between networks to do is fail over a > > >>>>> subset > > >>>>> (VIP customers) of A to B and vice versa. My guess is to advertise > a > > >>>>> /21 > > >>>>> via each and a /24 from each /21 on both for the fail over to be > for > > >>>>> > > >>>> those > > >>>> > > >>>>> /24s specifically. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -Ty > > >>>>> On Mar 19, 2014 8:01 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected] > > > > >>>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I'm not sure what your plan is with that /24. If you advertise that > > /20 > > >>>>>> out both providers, the entire Internet can reach that /20 from > > either > > >>>>>> provider. If either provider fails, your entire address space is > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> available > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> on the other. No need to do anything except contact your failed > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> upstream > > >>>> > > >>>>> to > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> get the connection repaired. If you want to weight traffic based > on > > >>>>>> (relative) geography, advertise the /20 out both providers in > > addition > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> to > > >>>> > > >>>>> one /21 out provider A and one /21 out provider B. Traffic will > > prefer > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> /19 until that provider fails. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ----- > > >>>>>> Mike Hammett > > >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51:18 PM > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We have a /20 assignment that I will be using on both sides. I > > intend > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> to > > >>>> > > >>>>> have a /24 on each side that will fail over. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -Ty > > >>>>>> On Mar 19, 2014 5:19 PM, "Mike Hammett" < > [email protected]> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Just as an example, if you have a /23 from both providers, > announce > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> /23 on both connections. Then, advertise the two /24s comprising > the > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> /23 > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> on > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the ISP you want to use it from. I believe BGP will take a longer > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> prefix > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> before a prepend. The smallest you can advertise, though, is a > /24, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> so > > >>>> > > >>>>> if > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> your blocks are smaller, that won't work. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- > > >>>>>>> Mike Hammett > > >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:11:43 PM > > >>>>>>> Subject: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I am ready to begin turning up BGP on both of my edge routers and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> start > > >>>> > > >>>>> advertising my new IPv4 assignment. I am want to make sure I > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> understand > > >>>> > > >>>>> things clearly first. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> These were setup as two separate networks, each with their own > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> upstream. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> We > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> built out between them and got a backhaul between the two so we > > could > > >>>>>>> manage the far network from the one we have our office already > on. > > I > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> turned > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> up OSPF recently on all routers and the routes for both networks > > are > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> shared > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> between the two edge routers. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Now we have our own IP space and would like to start > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> advertising/using > > >>>> > > >>>>> it. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> That seems easy enough. Turn BGP on between the edge routers and > > our > > >>>>>>> upstream providers and advertise some addresses on one and some > on > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> the > > >>>> > > >>>>> other. The real fun begins when we want to have fail-over between > the > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> two. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Initially this will only be for some VIP clients like ISDs and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hospitals. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> In the event of an outage upstream of either network I would like > to > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> make > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> sure these clients stay up across the backhaul between networks. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I believe the way to accomplish this is just to announce the > space > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> used > > >>>> > > >>>>> by > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> those clients to both upstream ASes and just prepend the ones > that > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> normally > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> live on the other network. That way should the upstream go down, > > the > > >>>>>>> "farther" path will become active. Beyond that I just need to > have > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> iBGP > > >>>> > > >>>>> running between my two edge routers so those routes are known. 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