Indeed.

-Ty


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]>wrote:

> May even be able to use a QoS script from one of the many consultants
> (perhaps the host of this mail server?) to slow down streaming media, FTP,
> HTTP, etc. so that the rest of the system works.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:26:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
>
> I agree. That is a great idea. Depending on how fast the backhaul situation
> starts moving I may just do that.
>
> -Ty
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > True. A queue for the rest would be nice to ensure that the target
> systems
> > work well and everything else works to a degree.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Scott Lambert" <[email protected]>
> > To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:20:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:14:52AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > > Advertise all IPs on all providers, take full routes on all
> > > providers. Increase backhauls if necessary.
> >
> > I would make a slight modification based on his current realities.
> >
> > Setup queues to give priority to the VIP /24 across the backhauls, but
> > allow the rest of the /21 to have what is left until the backhauls can
> > be upgraded. Potentially with a preference for e-mail traffic vs port
> > 80.
> >
> > Defaults vs. full would depend on if there is enough difference in
> > distance to real traffic sites between the two upstreams. I would
> > probably only use the defaults given the backhaul situation.
> >
> > I have a strung out network without sufficient backhauls to full fail
> > to the other providers also. We're working on it. I take defaults or
> > default + upstream's customers. But that's just personal preference.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> > > To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:10:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > >
> > > How would you do it then?
> > >
> > > -Ty
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Mike Hammett <
> > [email protected]>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, if he's only taking a single provider at each location and only
> > > > using it as fail-over for a couple subnets, I'm not sure he needs
> full
> > > > routes.
> > > >
> > > > I would take full routes, but I wouldn't be doing it the way he is
> > either.
> > > > *shrugs*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:00:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > > >
> > > > If you have the hardware for full, do it.
> > > >
> > > > Do you know the differences?
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > On Mar 21, 2014 11:56 AM, "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Any advice on default vs full or connected routes?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ty
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Simon Westlake <
> > [email protected]
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Right, that's what I meant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 3/20/2014 9:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> All that comes in the other route is what you advertise out of
> > it. If
> > > > he
> > > > > >> only advertises a different /21 on each side and a /24 from the
> > > > opposite
> > > > > >> block out of both sides, then only whatever he's advertising out
> > of
> > > > that
> > > > > >> interface will work.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----
> > > > > >> Mike Hammett
> > > > > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > >> http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> From: "Simon Westlake" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >> To: [email protected]
> > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:33:18 PM
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That will make things more complicated if you advertise space
> out
> > of
> > > > > >> both routers. If one goes down, all inbound traffic will start
> > coming
> > > > in
> > > > > >> through the other router, whether you want it or not.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 3/20/2014 8:07 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Yes I have started the process with both upstreams. I do intend
> > to
> > > > > spend
> > > > > >>> some time on filters as well, thanks.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Mike, the two networks each have 300Mbps feeds to the internet
> > but
> > > > only
> > > > > >>> 100Mbps between the two networks via wireless backhaul. For now
> > at
> > > > > least
> > > > > >>> I
> > > > > >>> only want failover for ourselves, some key servers, 2 School
> > > > > Districts, a
> > > > > >>> hospital, and city/county government.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> -Ty
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Casey Mills <[email protected]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> It has been a while since I set one of these up... But when I
> did
> > > > this
> > > > > >>>> there wasn't a need to run BGP between the edge routers. The
> > > > > advertised
> > > > > >>>> networks should propagate through OSPF.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I'm sure you have already taken care of this, but make sure
> your
> > > > > >>>> upstream
> > > > > >>>> providers will allow you to advertise your new IP space. If
> they
> > > > are a
> > > > > >>>> good
> > > > > >>>> upstream provider they should be using some filtering and will
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>> specifically allow this IP range from your ASN.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Like I said it has been a while, but go ahead and setup
> filters
> > > > going
> > > > > >>>> both
> > > > > >>>> ways for all of the internal IP ranges. I had Cox trying to
> > send me
> > > > > some
> > > > > >>>> internal IPs at one time. If we had been using those IPs
> > internally
> > > > it
> > > > > >>>> would have caused a mess.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Casey
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Mike Hammett <
> > > > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> That would work, but I'm not sure no service is better than
> > slow
> > > > > >>>>> service.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> -----
> > > > > >>>>> Mike Hammett
> > > > > >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:22:22 PM
> > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I don't want, because I can't accomodate, failover of A to B
> > and B
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>> A.
> > > > > >>>>> What I do have the bandwidth between networks to do is fail
> > over a
> > > > > >>>>> subset
> > > > > >>>>> (VIP customers) of A to B and vice versa. My guess is to
> > advertise
> > > > a
> > > > > >>>>> /21
> > > > > >>>>> via each and a /24 from each /21 on both for the fail over to
> > be
> > > > for
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>> those
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> /24s specifically.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> -Ty
> > > > > >>>>> On Mar 19, 2014 8:01 PM, "Mike Hammett" <
> > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I'm not sure what your plan is with that /24. If you
> advertise
> > that
> > > > > /20
> > > > > >>>>>> out both providers, the entire Internet can reach that /20
> > from
> > > > > either
> > > > > >>>>>> provider. If either provider fails, your entire address
> space
> > is
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> available
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> on the other. No need to do anything except contact your
> > failed
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> upstream
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> get the connection repaired. If you want to weight traffic
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > >>>>>> (relative) geography, advertise the /20 out both providers
> in
> > > > > addition
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> one /21 out provider A and one /21 out provider B. Traffic
> will
> > > > > prefer
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> /19 until that provider fails.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> -----
> > > > > >>>>>> Mike Hammett
> > > > > >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:51:18 PM
> > > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> We have a /20 assignment that I will be using on both
> sides. I
> > > > > intend
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> have a /24 on each side that will fail over.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> -Ty
> > > > > >>>>>> On Mar 19, 2014 5:19 PM, "Mike Hammett" <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Just as an example, if you have a /23 from both providers,
> > > > announce
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> that
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> /23 on both connections. Then, advertise the two /24s
> > comprising
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> /23
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> the ISP you want to use it from. I believe BGP will take a
> > longer
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> prefix
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> before a prepend. The smallest you can advertise, though,
> is a
> > > > /24,
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> if
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> your blocks are smaller, that won't work.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> -----
> > > > > >>>>>>> Mike Hammett
> > > > > >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> From: "Ty Featherling" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>>>> To: "Mikrotik discussions" <[email protected]>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:11:43 PM
> > > > > >>>>>>> Subject: [Mikrotik] BGP guidance
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I am ready to begin turning up BGP on both of my edge
> > routers and
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> start
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> advertising my new IPv4 assignment. I am want to make sure I
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> understand
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> things clearly first.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> These were setup as two separate networks, each with their
> > own
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> upstream.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> We
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> built out between them and got a backhaul between the two
> so
> > we
> > > > > could
> > > > > >>>>>>> manage the far network from the one we have our office
> > already
> > > > on.
> > > > > I
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> turned
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> up OSPF recently on all routers and the routes for both
> > networks
> > > > > are
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> shared
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> between the two edge routers.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Now we have our own IP space and would like to start
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> advertising/using
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> it.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> That seems easy enough. Turn BGP on between the edge
> routers
> > and
> > > > > our
> > > > > >>>>>>> upstream providers and advertise some addresses on one and
> > some
> > > > on
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> other. The real fun begins when we want to have fail-over
> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> two.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Initially this will only be for some VIP clients like ISDs
> > and
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hospitals.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> In the event of an outage upstream of either network I would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> make
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> sure these clients stay up across the backhaul between
> > networks.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I believe the way to accomplish this is just to announce
> the
> > > > space
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> used
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> by
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> those clients to both upstream ASes and just prepend the
> ones
> > > > that
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> normally
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> live on the other network. That way should the upstream go
> > down,
> > > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>>> "farther" path will become active. Beyond that I just need
> to
> > > > have
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> iBGP
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> running between my two edge routers so those routes are
> known.
> > Does
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> this
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> sound right?
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