You guys are lucky.  We've had to fend of attacks where we are looking at
4,500 open connections to our norm of ~1,000.  Some times, it seems, they
don't get their rate limiting setup right and boy it sure does hurt when
you get hit by the force of a big botnet.

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Kelsey Cummings - [EMAIL PROTECTED]      sonic.net, inc.
System Architect                          2260 Apollo Way
707.522.1000                              Santa Rosa, CA 95407
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