Hello Archytas, You know that I do not like "phenomenologists" on an "epistemological" level. I think you recognize what I mean by that... I don't like the "way" that they think about the "OBJECTIVE" v. "SUBJECTIVE" distinction as it relates to Mind and Matter... the Ideal and the Real.... If I can get past that, aggravation (sometimes, I do) I can still usually find something novel or of value even in such (in my opinion) misguided authors... Thinking "differently" about a problem, should not mean that someone should therefore think.... fancifully (?)... But then again, if one strips away the "fancy" from an opinion, there may still be a kernal of worthy truth at its center... to use a a botched up metaphor..... Corn.... and that says it all on a few level, doesn't it? Freedom.... that's a topic that leads to different opinions. I have sometimes tried to suggest a thematic opposition between the concepts of Freedom vs. License. I think I noted this in some things I've posted... They are all just words, though, depending on sense... it all depends on who says them and what they mean by them... On an indivudual level, I (or you) may have a very appropriate understandinhg of what "freedom" is and should be.... but can I (or you) even adequately communicate to, let alone convince, another person regarding that understanding of "freedom" (rhetorical question... cheap device)... not likely. So... maybe we can all , as a group... try to tackle this issue that you have raised Archytas.... a worthy one.... What is Freedom or Liberty, or Emancipation... and how does that all work in an interactive "social" or even a more specific economic group setting? nominal9
On Feb 4, 1:31 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Marx argues that not only is political emancipation insufficient to > bring about human emancipation, it is in some sense also a barrier. > Liberal rights and ideas of justice are premised on the idea that each > of us needs protection from other human beings. Therefore liberal > rights are rights of separation, designed to protect us from such > perceived threats. Freedom on such a view, is freedom from > interference. What this view overlooks is the possibility — for Marx, > the fact — that real freedom is to be found positively in our > relations with other people. It is to be found in human community, not > in isolation. So insisting on a regime of rights encourages us to view > each other in ways which undermine the possibility of the real freedom > we may find in human emancipation. Now we should be clear that Marx > does not oppose political emancipation, for he sees that liberalism is > a great improvement on the systems of prejudice and discrimination > which existed in the Germany of his day. Nevertheless, such > politically emancipated liberalism must be transcended on the route to > genuine human emancipation. Unfortunately, Marx never tells us what > human emancipation is, although it is clear that it is closely related > to the idea of non-alienated labour. > This seems to have been managed in Star Trek NG! > > On 4 Feb, 06:21, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The American scholar Jackson had much to say about inaccuracies in > > Heidegger, particularly his pompous and poor Greek.. The questions do > > not spin off into miserable relativism, but a deeper question about > > how we might better believe what we know - and my guess is this has to > > do with social justice and a move towards getting pleasure in doing > > things for others and comfort in this identity or moral core. The > > qualification on these matters is breathing, as Vam well knows and > > asserts. > > > On 1 Feb, 03:52, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, and when you get to where that road take you, > > > be sure to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE > > > > dj > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello Paul: > > > > I am "diametrically opposed" epistemologically to the Phenomenalist > > > > position. Nice to meet you, however.... > > > > "Does Merleau-Ponty 'fill in the gaps' that Heidegger left?".... Blind > > > > leading the Blind.... > > > > " Do Foucault or Derrida give you a path out of modern anxiety? > > > > ".....Follow the Yellow Brick Road..... > > > > > nominal9 > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:36 am, Paul Grieg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> This is one of my favourite philosophy interviews: > > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0&feature=related > > > > >> Can any of you answer these questions: > > > > >> Does Merleau-Ponty 'fill in the gaps' that Heidegger left? > > > > >> Do Foucault or Derrida give you a path out of modern anxiety?- Hide > > > >> quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
