There's no question that Hitler was a powerful speaker, and borrowing from Nietzsche probably helped. However, I hate Hitler, he made Nietzsche's philosophy completely untenable today. Hence the pansy culture we have today.
On Feb 7, 2:48 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > Take a bow and go th the top of the class, Slip :-) One of the > quotations (the one about Sparta) is from the Zweites Buch (1928), he > penned (or spouted) the one on Christianity in 1942. > > Adolf was influenced strongly by Nietzche. This does not mean, of > course, that Nietzche was a proto-Nazi. He abhorred anti-Semitism, for > example, it was one of the reasons for his distancing himself from > Wagner. But some of his central themes (even if the interpretations > were arguably warped), idealisation of the strong, master-slave > analysis, the will to power, the Übermensch, were taken up > enthusiastically by Hitler and his minions. > > Francis > > On 7 Feb., 22:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's from Hitler’s Zweites Buch. > > > On Feb 7, 3:19 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Nope. > > > > On 7 Feb., 21:51, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > victor david hanson? > > > > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:45 PM, frantheman > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 7 Feb., 01:29, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Nietzsche was a genius, and very troubled man. He can be mined for > > > > >> all > > > > >> sorts of ideas and inspirations and much of it is > > > > >> misrepresentational. > > > > >> Personally, I've never been convinced of his glorification of Homeric > > > > >> Greece and Sparta, as well as his working of the master-slave theme, > > > > >> although others have found it inspiring: > > > > > >> "At one time the Spartans were capable of such a wise measure, but > > > > >> not > > > > >> our present, mendaciously sentimental, bourgeois patriotic nonsense. > > > > >> The rule of six thousand Spartans over three hundred and fifty > > > > >> thousand Helots was only thinkable in consequence of the high racial > > > > >> value of the Spartans. But this was the result of a systematic race > > > > >> preservation; thus Sparta must be regarded as the first Völkisch > > > > >> State. The exposure of sick, weak, deformed children, in short their > > > > >> destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more > > > > >> humane > > > > >> than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most > > > > >> pathological subject, and indeed at any price, and yet takes the life > > > > >> of a hundred thousand healthy children in consequence of birth > > > > >> control > > > > >> or through abortions, in order subsequently to breed a race of > > > > >> degenerates burdened with illnesses." > > > > > >> Three guesses who wrote that, as well as the following: > > > > > > I may not have expressed this clearly. The author was NOT Nietzsche. > > > > > >> "But for the coming of Christianity, who knows how the history of > > > > >> Europe would have developed? Rome would have conquered all Europe, > > > > >> and > > > > >> the onrush of the Huns would have been broken on the legions. It was > > > > >> Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome—not the Germans or > > > > >> the Huns. What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and > > > > >> technical level, Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level. > > > > >> When the Crown sees the throne totter, it needs the support of the > > > > >> masses." > > > > > >> Francis > > > > > >> On 6 Feb., 23:32, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > Fran, > > > > >> > I really don't have much of a philosophy that I'm seriously > > > > >> > committed > > > > >> > to. More or less I just like to get riled up. I WISH I was > > > > >> > committed > > > > >> > to a philosophy, or a view of the world. If pushed, I do get quite > > > > >> > sick of the world though that you espouse. I long for the type of > > > > >> > society that Nietzsche speaks of. He spoke so very highly of pre- > > > > >> > Socratic greece. Society such as Sparta, and pre-Socratic Athens. > > > > >> > Those were cultures that gloried in strength. They didn't adopt > > > > >> > the > > > > >> > slave mentality that Christianity has heaped upon us all. > > > > > >> > Its so popular now for us to speak so badly of Christianity, and > > > > >> > yet > > > > >> > what we don't realize is that the world is by and large Christian, > > > > >> > whether they know it or not. No of course they don't say they > > > > >> > believe > > > > >> > in Jesus. No, they don't read the Bible. No, they probably don't > > > > >> > even believe in God. But as far as philosophy and world view goes, > > > > >> > they are died in the wool Christian. Its the Judeo-Christian world > > > > >> > view that Nietzsche pointed out gives birth to Nihilism. Judeo- > > > > >> > Christian world view is based on slave mentality. It breeds a > > > > >> > culture > > > > >> > of weaklings. Those who would otherwise be strong and powerful and > > > > >> > contribute to a strong and powerful culture, they get driven down > > > > >> > into > > > > >> > the dust by slave morality, and everyone is equally pathetic. > > > > > >> > This is what I am on about today. If you want the honest truth, > > > > >> > Bush > > > > >> > was an evangelical Christian, and was part of the problem, not the > > > > >> > solution. But relatively speaking, he was stronger and less > > > > >> > pathetic > > > > >> > than most. > > > > > >> > On Feb 6, 3:16 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > Craig, I find your world-view strange and hard to understand. > > > > >> > > What is > > > > >> > > "today's pansy laden society?" I am an Irishman, living in > > > > >> > > Germany. I > > > > >> > > do not perceive and experience either the country of my birth, > > > > >> > > or the > > > > >> > > country in which I live, as "downtrodden and defeated". We are > > > > >> > > all > > > > >> > > going through a rough time at the moment (and it will get worse) > > > > >> > > as a > > > > >> > > result of greed and stupidity in those responsible for economic > > > > >> > > affairs in our societies. Such a crisis calls us to examine the > > > > >> > > principles according to which we organise our communal life and > > > > >> > > effect > > > > >> > > changes. As such, it is also an opportunity. > > > > > >> > > I have the impression - I may be mistaken - that you see a > > > > >> > > particular > > > > >> > > model/interpretation of the "American way of life", as being > > > > >> > > simultaneously better than all others and under acute threat, > > > > >> > > both > > > > >> > > from within the US and without. I do not share this way of > > > > >> > > looking at > > > > >> > > the world. I live in a western European country, where much, like > > > > >> > > everywhere else, is imperfect and some things are in a bit of a > > > > >> > > mess. > > > > >> > > Nevertheless, I feel free and secure. It is a society where a > > > > >> > > basic > > > > >> > > level of assent and consent is present, where, generally, peace, > > > > >> > > the > > > > >> > > rule of law and a strong sense of civil rights prevail. It is a > > > > >> > > culture which, with some exceptions, does have a sense of > > > > >> > > fundamental > > > > >> > > decency, where there is a basic solidarity with those who are > > > > >> > > weaker > > > > >> > > and a deeply-rooted desire to hand a more or less viable world > > > > >> > > on to > > > > >> > > our children and grandchildren. > > > > > >> > > The Cold War has been over for twenty years now, and I do not > > > > >> > > feel > > > > >> > > threatened by the East. I do see a future in which the most > > > > >> > > populous > > > > >> > > nations of the world (in particular, the Asian countries of > > > > >> > > China and > > > > >> > > India) will have much more influence on a global scale, something > > > > >> > > which is only just, giving that the two nations I have mentioned > > > > >> > > alone > > > > >> > > are home to one third of the world's population. I think there > > > > >> > > is a > > > > >> > > good chance that their continuing economic development will be > > > > >> > > paralleled (causally, it could be argued) by positive > > > > >> > > developments in > > > > >> > > civil society (I'm thinking of China particularly here). But > > > > >> > > maybe one > > > > >> > > of the lessons we can learn from the Bush era is that these > > > > >> > > developments will not be furthered by forcing a particular > > > > >> > > vision of > > > > >> > > how societies should be ordered through the barrel of a gun, or > > > > >> > > economic bullying. The developing countries, as well as the tiger > > > > >> > > economies, have an acute sense of having been historically > > > > >> > > dominated > > > > >> > > and exploited by the west - rightly for the most part - and this > > > > >> > > makes > > > > >> > > them sensitive about and suspicious of what they perceive as > > > > >> > > condescending preaching (and incidental defense of the status > > > > >> > > quo) by > > > > >> > > the West. > > > > > >> > > The values formulated in the Enlightenment - liberty, equality, > > > > >> > > tolerance, representative government, due process and the rule > > > > >> > > of law, > > > > >> > > basic solidarity as the foundation of society are embodied (in > > > > >> > > many > > > > >> > > respects, imperfectly) in the USA and the Western democracies. > > > > >> > > They > > > > >> > > are values worth standing up for. I believe, however, that > > > > >> > > example is > > > > >> > > the most potent force and that consistent adherence to these > > > > >> > > values > > > > >> > > (and their more perfect realisation) in our own societies, and > > > > >> > > the > > > > >> > > positive results resulting from this, are the strongest > > > > >> > > arguments for > > > > >> > > their more widespread adoption. > > > > > >> > > Where these values - and our societies - are attacked, we must, > > > > >> > > of > > > > >> > > course, resist. However, the path of resistance pursued by the > > > > >> > > Bush > > > > >> > > administration for the past seven years has not been crowned > > > > >> > > with any > > > > >> > > great measure of success. > > > > > >> > > Francis > > > > > >> > > On 6 Feb., 20:52, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Chris, I didn't say my defense of Bush was easy. It makes it > > > > >> > > > especially hard when he bent over, grabbed his ankles, and > > > > >> > > > invited the > > > > >> > > > democrats to do their business. The bailout was Bush trying > > > > >> > > > to save > > > > >> > > > face after being completely humiliated and destroyed by the > > > > >> > > > MSM. But, > > > > >> > > > nevertheless, I defend him. In fact I'm surprised that a man > > > > >> > > > like > > > > >> > > > Bush was even possible in today's pansy laden society. I > > > > >> > > > think the > > > > >> > > > Bush administration was the last > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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