Hi, Slip and members of “Minds Eye” group
Today I seem to have found a little time to post, although what I am
going to say here is not an answer to what is infinity, but I want to
say it because runs in a parallel way with SD ways of thinking, in
fact I believe that whatever happens in this world may be recorded in
the cosmos, as it shows in SD dreams. You may even laugh at my idea of
the cosmos recording everything, but really it is possible, because if
we are able to record things so is the cosmos, even if it is done in a
different way to the way we record things. It has to be possible
because we humans are not able to create things from nothing and
whatever we discover is already pre existing in nature.
I believe that a few of us humans may be able to feel or dream about
these records and SD is one of them, as SD is able to tune in during
his dreaming stage to the cosmos records. Sometimes I believe that
while dreaming I have been able to tune in to these records too.
There have been a few people that are even able to tune in during
their waking time, look at this philosopher Spinoza and what he says
about Human Knowledge.
Spinoza: Unity
Human Knowledge
Spinoza maintained that human beings do have particular faculties
whose functions are to provide some degree of knowledge. I typically
assume, for example, that there may be some correlation between
thought and extension with regard to sensations produced by the action
of other bodies upon my eyes, ears, and fingertips. Even my memory may
occasionally harbor some evidence of the order and connection common
to things and ideas. And in self-conscious awareness, I seem to
achieve genuine knowledge of myself by representing my mind to itself,
using ideas to signify other ideas.
Near the end of Book II, then, Spinoza distinguished three kinds of
knowledge of which we may be capable: First, opinion, derived either
from vague sensory experience or from the signification of words in
the memory or imagination, provides only inadequate ideas and cannot
be relied upon as a source of truth. Second, reason, which begins with
simple adequate ideas and by analyzing causal or logical necessity
proceeds toward awareness of their more general causes, does provide
us with truth. But intuition, in which the mind deduces the structure
of reality from the very essence or idea of god, is the great source
of adequate ideas, the highest form of knowledge, and the ultimate
guarantor of truth. (II Prop. xl)
In my opinion Spinoza must be able to feel the cosmos knowledge, which
could be described as intuition, otherwise how could he be so sure of
himself and state that intuition is the highest form of knowledge?
What do you think about that? As for myself I believe that reason is
the highest sense that should be relied upon.
I have no more time to write anything else now.
Kind Regards
Manfraco.
On Mar 7, 10:30 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> A soul is a memory, fran, that retains information about ones life,
> about ones talents, about ones intellect, and about ones nature. I
> have always found it strange that people believe that something can
> travel through airwaves and appear on a screen, sound out of a radio,
> transport a voice through a cell phone, become part of a massive
> computer data base but don't understand that a soul could exist.
> Don't you think that IF we simpletons of humanity can gather and store
> massive amounts of data onto a chip the size of a microdot that
> somewhere out there in the cosmos there is the ability to have a
> soul? Having an old soul is not in any way a means of overcoming the
> flaws inherent in humanity but it is a way of gaining life experience
> which is conducive to growth in spirit, intellect, and growth in the
> many other aspects of the living soul. Sure it is true that
> reincarnation is pure theory but so is and are many a theory presented
> by mankind. As I have stated in many other posts we, as a species,
> continue to search for answers as to who are we, where are we from,
> what are we doing here, have we been
> here before, does life have purpose, does life have meaning, is there
> a god, is there a heaven, is there a hell, how will I die, when will I
> die, did George Bush destroy America, why are we bailing out private
> enterprise corporations and many other important questions. {;-)
>
> On Mar 6, 12:54 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Speaking purely theoretically - I accept Orn's point completely, that
> > discussions about reincarnation are pure theory - I don't see the
> > problem. If there is a soul (theoretically speaking, since I have no
> > idea what a soul IS), upon disincarnation it (presumably) leaves space-
> > time. That's space-TIME. So, theoretically, there's no reason not to
> > assume that a soul experiencing disincarnation in 2009 might not be
> > reincarnated in 1909. Wow, I could even be Albert Einstein in my next
> > life. Or Helen of Troy. Or my own grand-dad.
>
> > Personally, I have never found speculation about reincarnation
> > particularly useful for living in the here-and-now.
>
> > Francis
>
> > On 6 Mrz., 16:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > As to theory when it comes to things like reincarnation....theories
> > > are like comic books. Entertaining, and keep one distracted.
> > > As to proof...the only proof would be if one remembers experiencing
> > > it. I have nothing against those who make such a claim.
>
> > > On Mar 6, 4:32 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Mar, 16:04, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > This may be a silly question that has already been answered by those
> > > > > who posit reincarnation, or you may have an answer, Slip.
>
> > > > > But it just occurred to me that the world population keeps growing,
> > > > > over time. So let's begin to flesh out the mechanics of reincarnation
> > > > > theory. Since the world population keeps growing, new souls must be
> > > > > coming into being (on the starting premise that souls exist, of
> > > > > course). What is your belief as to whether all souls reincarnate? Is
> > > > > it that, each year, of the 300 million people who die (I'm guessing
> > > > > here, not bothering to look up how many people actually die each
> > > > > year), those 300 million souls immediately reincarnate? Is there some
> > > > > lag time? Given that the world population grows by, say, 200 million
> > > > > a year, does this mean that 200 million entirely new, non-reincarnated
> > > > > souls are generated each year?
>
> > > > > More importantly, when a new baby is born, how is it decided whether
> > > > > that new baby gets a reincarnated soul, or an entirely new soul?
>
> > > > > The basic premise of my e-mail is that the number of people dying
> > > > > falls short of the number of people being born, so not every new birth
> > > > > can have a reincarnated soul. How does reincarnation theory think
> > > > > about this?
>
> > > > Firstly, whose theory? There are theories that don't limit
> > > > reincarnation to only human form. If you count ALL the lifeforms in
> > > > existence (and, not just Earthbound ones), THEN you'll see how full
> > > > the pool of souls, as it were, is. Whilst I take your point, an Earth-
> > > > limited view must be thrown out. Odds are that there's a huge
> > > > whopping amount of life out there that could re-incarnate (or re-
> > > > invegetate, for that matter!).
> > > > Although there IS the Jewish view of 'The Guph', or 'Hall of Souls'
> > > > where souls wait for (re-)incarnation. There is also a belief that
> > > > the Guph can be emptied and soulless individuals born. This is
> > > > explored in the Juergen Prochnow/Demi Moore film "The Seventh
> > > > Sign" (Great film!).
>
> > > > > On Mar 3, 10:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Slip, can you clarify what you mean by saying "Thought, as I see
> > > > > > > it, is not physical or tangible<<<<<MB
>
> > > > > > Simply for me thought is not something that you can put in a box and
> > > > > > ship out or place in a zip lock bag for storage. I feel thought
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > imagination are homologous but not identical in that thought itself
> > > > > > may be considered more of a process, which imagination uses to
> > > > > > create
> > > > > > ideas, concepts, theories etc.
>
> > > > > > though it is the subject of multiple scientific experiments."
> > > > > > ?<<<MB
>
> > > > > > I may have hastened to use the expression scientific experiments, no
> > > > > > intended reference to "thought experiments", but more so leaning
> > > > > > towards the nature of thought, it's use as in telekinesis,
> > > > > > telepathy,
> > > > > > clairvoyance, the overall power of thinking, and the law of
> > > > > > attraction, much of which admittedly, is speculative and/or
> > > > > > hypothetical.
> > > > > > Discovering the physical nature of thought is aside from what I am
> > > > > > projecting because once thought takes place it becomes independent
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > it's originating source as does the light emanating from a dead
> > > > > > star.
>
> > > > > > > As I understand you, you posed that perspective in opposition to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > contention that "all thought
> > > > > > > and consciousness dies with the death of the physical mind." Are
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > arguing that when a person is alive, his thoughts are
> > > > > > > extra-physical,
> > > > > > > or are you also arguing that consciousness / soul survives
> > > > > > > death?<<<MB
>
> > > > > > I'm not arguing as much as I am suggesting that thoughts are not
> > > > > > confined to our physical being. As I posted early on, we do see
> > > > > > light
> > > > > > from stars that are physically non existent. I believe thoughts,
> > > > > > imaginations and subconscious manifestations do continue to exist
> > > > > > beyond the physical demise. I feel very strongly that the soul
> > > > > > survives physical death and also retains life experiences. I
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > that some people have lived past lives but not all, as some people
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., while
> > > > > > others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily
> > > > > > identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that
> > > > > > our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the
> > > > > > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within our
> > > > > > soul and believe that life might be occurring simultaneously within
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > parallel universe and further that there is a level at which time is
> > > > > > of no consequence.
> > > > > > Belief in certain aspects of death may give credence to what some
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > as Heaven and the Immortality of the soul. For atheists, pantheists,
> > > > > > materialists and rationalists there would be no question and
> > > > > > conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does death
> > > > > > have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life is
> > > > > > temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without
> > > > > > paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over
> > > > > > spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly
> > > > > > and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next?
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? I
> > > > > > often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and pain
> > > > > > while others live wonderful lives. While both will have to commit
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of
> > > > > > living if there is any significance to life between birth and death.
> > > > > > Some believe that what we do in this life influences our lives to
> > > > > > come, so I have to wonder what has that person done within it's few
> > > > > > hours of life to influence it's future life. Can we lay down a
> > > > > > prospective for person's future life based on general observation of
> > > > > > the person's current life. IF so then where might be Hitler,
> > > > > > Dahmer,
> > > > > > Saddam and what are they doing in their future life? Have they
> > > > > > returned already and are they living among us as we speak? The
> > > > > > question begets more questions which beget even more as the question
> > > > > > surrounding the most mysterious aspects of human life remains
> > > > > > enigmatic; what of death?
>
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