Bhang? Count me in! On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > It 's already Holi time, Neil ! It marks one year since our > conversation when we spoke of being together, the whole host of us. It > spelled of a beauty that recalls itself and I now once again pine for. > > The " bhang " drink however is in the making. And, of course, everyone > is invited ! ! ! > archytas wrote: > >> Now, if Vam and I were reincarnated as a cat and dog displaying mutual >> friendliness and unusual preferences for peach vodka and warm, creamy >> beer, there might be some proof. >> >> On 7 Mar, 01:15, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I could even be Albert Einstein in my next life. Or Helen of Troy. Or >> > my own grand-dad. <<<fran >> > >> > No fran, that is not how it works, you cannot commandeer the soul of >> > someone else. You can only be "you" forever, from here in on out or >> > from then on. Even in space time, would you challenge the possibility >> > that the soul could retain its integrity? Soul is your being, your >> > essence in life, you are who you are because of your soul. You, fran, >> > can see the difference when you go out and about in the world around >> > you. There is obviously a huge difference between you and many other >> > people, and when you ask why is that, which you have at times, you can >> > simply attribute it all to the fact that your soul has accumulated >> > knowledge and understanding throughout many lifetimes. It's rather >> > simple really. As I said earlier, in this day and age when we have >> > microwaves and space travel, computers, cell phones, dvd, cd, etc, I >> > find it hard to believe the disbelief in this theory is so difficult. >> > In other words, we can store gobs of information on a piece of plastic >> > but we can't have a soul? Fran! You do have a soul, and a good soul >> > at that! If I personally had to rate your soul I would put it at 258 >> > BC origin. Think about it! >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mar 6, 12:54 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Speaking purely theoretically - I accept Orn's point completely, that >> > > discussions about reincarnation are pure theory - I don't see the >> > > problem. If there is a soul (theoretically speaking, since I have no >> > > idea what a soul IS), upon disincarnation it (presumably) leaves space- >> > > time. That's space-TIME. So, theoretically, there's no reason not to >> > > assume that a soul experiencing disincarnation in 2009 might not be >> > > reincarnated in 1909. Wow, I could even be Albert Einstein in my next >> > > life. Or Helen of Troy. Or my own grand-dad. >> > >> > > Personally, I have never found speculation about reincarnation >> > > particularly useful for living in the here-and-now. >> > >> > > Francis >> > >> > > On 6 Mrz., 16:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > As to theory when it comes to things like reincarnation....theories >> > > > are like comic books. Entertaining, and keep one distracted. >> > > > As to proof...the only proof would be if one remembers experiencing >> > > > it. I have nothing against those who make such a claim. >> > >> > > > On Mar 6, 4:32 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > On 4 Mar, 16:04, Michael Berkovits <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > This may be a silly question that has already been answered by >> > > > > > those >> > > > > > who posit reincarnation, or you may have an answer, Slip. >> > >> > > > > > But it just occurred to me that the world population keeps growing, >> > > > > > over time. So let's begin to flesh out the mechanics of >> > > > > > reincarnation >> > > > > > theory. Since the world population keeps growing, new souls must be >> > > > > > coming into being (on the starting premise that souls exist, of >> > > > > > course). What is your belief as to whether all souls reincarnate? >> > > > > > Is >> > > > > > it that, each year, of the 300 million people who die (I'm guessing >> > > > > > here, not bothering to look up how many people actually die each >> > > > > > year), those 300 million souls immediately reincarnate? Is there >> > > > > > some >> > > > > > lag time? Given that the world population grows by, say, 200 >> > > > > > million >> > > > > > a year, does this mean that 200 million entirely new, >> > > > > > non-reincarnated >> > > > > > souls are generated each year? >> > >> > > > > > More importantly, when a new baby is born, how is it decided >> > > > > > whether >> > > > > > that new baby gets a reincarnated soul, or an entirely new soul? >> > >> > > > > > The basic premise of my e-mail is that the number of people dying >> > > > > > falls short of the number of people being born, so not every new >> > > > > > birth >> > > > > > can have a reincarnated soul. How does reincarnation theory think >> > > > > > about this? >> > >> > > > > Firstly, whose theory? There are theories that don't limit >> > > > > reincarnation to only human form. If you count ALL the lifeforms in >> > > > > existence (and, not just Earthbound ones), THEN you'll see how full >> > > > > the pool of souls, as it were, is. Whilst I take your point, an >> > > > > Earth- >> > > > > limited view must be thrown out. Odds are that there's a huge >> > > > > whopping amount of life out there that could re-incarnate (or re- >> > > > > invegetate, for that matter!). >> > > > > Although there IS the Jewish view of 'The Guph', or 'Hall of Souls' >> > > > > where souls wait for (re-)incarnation. There is also a belief that >> > > > > the Guph can be emptied and soulless individuals born. This is >> > > > > explored in the Juergen Prochnow/Demi Moore film "The Seventh >> > > > > Sign" (Great film!). >> > >> > > > > > On Mar 3, 10:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > Slip, can you clarify what you mean by saying "Thought, as I >> > > > > > > > see it, is not physical or tangible<<<<<MB >> > >> > > > > > > Simply for me thought is not something that you can put in a box >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > ship out or place in a zip lock bag for storage. I feel >> > > > > > > thought and >> > > > > > > imagination are homologous but not identical in that thought >> > > > > > > itself >> > > > > > > may be considered more of a process, which imagination uses to >> > > > > > > create >> > > > > > > ideas, concepts, theories etc. >> > >> > > > > > > though it is the subject of multiple scientific experiments." >> > > > > > > ?<<<MB >> > >> > > > > > > I may have hastened to use the expression scientific >> > > > > > > experiments, no >> > > > > > > intended reference to "thought experiments", but more so leaning >> > > > > > > towards the nature of thought, it's use as in telekinesis, >> > > > > > > telepathy, >> > > > > > > clairvoyance, the overall power of thinking, and the law of >> > > > > > > attraction, much of which admittedly, is speculative and/or >> > > > > > > hypothetical. >> > > > > > > Discovering the physical nature of thought is aside from what I >> > > > > > > am >> > > > > > > projecting because once thought takes place it becomes >> > > > > > > independent of >> > > > > > > it's originating source as does the light emanating from a dead >> > > > > > > star. >> > >> > > > > > > > As I understand you, you posed that perspective in opposition >> > > > > > > > to the >> > > > > > > > contention that "all thought >> > > > > > > > and consciousness dies with the death of the physical mind." >> > > > > > > > Are you >> > > > > > > > arguing that when a person is alive, his thoughts are >> > > > > > > > extra-physical, >> > > > > > > > or are you also arguing that consciousness / soul survives >> > > > > > > > death?<<<MB >> > >> > > > > > > I'm not arguing as much as I am suggesting that thoughts are not >> > > > > > > confined to our physical being. As I posted early on, we do see >> > > > > > > light >> > > > > > > from stars that are physically non existent. I believe thoughts, >> > > > > > > imaginations and subconscious manifestations do continue to exist >> > > > > > > beyond the physical demise. I feel very strongly that the soul >> > > > > > > survives physical death and also retains life experiences. I >> > > > > > > believe >> > > > > > > that some people have lived past lives but not all, as some >> > > > > > > people are >> > > > > > > Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., while >> > > > > > > others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily >> > > > > > > identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense >> > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not >> > > > > > > return as >> > > > > > > a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within >> > > > > > > our >> > > > > > > soul and believe that life might be occurring simultaneously >> > > > > > > within a >> > > > > > > parallel universe and further that there is a level at which >> > > > > > > time is >> > > > > > > of no consequence. >> > > > > > > Belief in certain aspects of death may give credence to what >> > > > > > > some know >> > > > > > > as Heaven and the Immortality of the soul. For atheists, >> > > > > > > pantheists, >> > > > > > > materialists and rationalists there would be no question and >> > > > > > > conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does >> > > > > > > death >> > > > > > > have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without >> > > > > > > paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over >> > > > > > > spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives? >> > > > > > > Possibly >> > > > > > > and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us >> > > > > > > anything >> > > > > > > about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the >> > > > > > > next? I >> > > > > > > would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties >> > > > > > > then >> > > > > > > it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life >> > > > > > > in the >> > > > > > > new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? >> > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and >> > > > > > > pain >> > > > > > > while others live wonderful lives. While both will have to >> > > > > > > commit to >> > > > > > > death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact >> > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also >> > > > > > > have to >> > > > > > > examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of >> > > > > > > living if there is any significance to life between birth and >> > > > > > > death. >> > > > > > > Some believe that what we do in this life influences our lives to >> > > > > > > come, so I have to wonder what has that person done within it's >> > > > > > > few >> > > > > > > hours of life to influence it's future life. Can we lay down a >> > > > > > > prospective for person's future life based on general >> > > > > > > observation of >> > > > > > > the person's current life. IF so then where might be Hitler, >> > > > > > > Dahmer, >> > > > > > > Saddam and what are they doing in their future life? Have they >> > > > > > > returned already and are they living among us as we speak? The >> > > > > > > question begets more questions which beget even more as the >> > > > > > > question >> > > > > > > surrounding the most mysterious aspects of human life remains >> > > > > > > enigmatic; what of death? >> > >> > > > > > > > As for the Noggin article, it's an interested experiment, to >> > > > > > > > be sure, >> > > > > > > > but did you have a particular perspective on it? To me, it >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more » > > >
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