Ya mon!
On Mar 7, 11:44 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> "...Life is much more than "Planet Earth"." - SD
>
> Yes SD, for some, it is.
> And, if you missed the drift of my post, it was a riff on fran's post.
> While not quite irony, you did seem to grasp my pointing out about the
> use of specific words and language when addressing such things.
>
> On Mar 7, 7:39 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I also agree that the concept of life is
> > superfluous<<<Orn
>
> > The concept of life is superfluous?
>
> > Again, there is not question that there is no need for such positing.
> > <<Orn
>
> > I think the "key" word here is "need", which clearly was not a part or
> > portion of any soul posit.
>
> > You don't have a soul because you need one, you just have one.
>
> > You don't have a physical body because you need one, you just have
> > one. Look in the mirror, you are there! Not because you "Need" to be
> > there but because you just are, just as your soul IS.
>
> > I think the key word should simply be "acceptance", so that we can
> > move on.
>
> > “..But none of this needs some kind of immaterial soul to hold it
> > together….” – <<<fran Absolutely correct yet again! : - ) <<<Orn
>
> > We don't "Need" to live, to exist, to be human, to be physical, but we
> > are!
>
> > “…With the simple use of a magnet I can scramble it all…” – fran
>
> > No kidding? Yeah well I wasn't born yesterday and for sure the
> > technology is not the point. I guess you think that human technology
> > in data storage is the ultimate technology in "ALL" of the universe.
>
> > My point was that if we pea brain humans can develop such
> > technologies, then what technologies might exist beyond our
> > comprehension. Obviously it seems beyond the comprehension of some.
>
> > Life is much more than "Planet Earth".
>
> > On Mar 7, 4:30 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > “…I don't need to call it a soul, because I regard this concept as
> > > superfluous, much as I regard the concept of God as superfluous. ..”
> > > fran
>
> > > I agree fran. I also agree that the concept of life is
> > > superfluous….along with all concepts. However, we can only see as much
> > > of reality as our notions about that reality can provide.
>
> > > “…I don't see the need to posit any part of what I am as being due to
> > > knowledge and understanding which my "soul" has accumulated throughout
> > > many lifetimes….” – fran
>
> > > Again, there is not question that there is no need for such positing.
> > > This is common rebuttal language and misses the mark so obviously.
> > > Need has nothing to do with soul, life, etc. All of it ‘is’….and, here
> > > I will posit that it all ‘is’ based on an ultimate purpose.
>
> > > “..But none of this needs some kind of immaterial soul to hold it
> > > together….” – fran
>
> > > Absolutely correct yet again! : - )
>
> > > “…With the simple use of a magnet I can scramble it all…” – fran
>
> > > “…The soul, whatever it may or may not be, is not subject to this sort
> > > of analysis or discourse…” – fran
>
> > > Yep…an analogy is but an analogy. How the heck could one scramble
> > > one’s entire being? Difficult to imagine.
>
> > > And, of course, all notions aside, there is either gnosis or there
> > > isn’t. There is theosis or there isn’t. By ‘is’ in these examples, I
> > > mean one knows it or one doesn’t. It isn’t for debate.
>
> > > On Mar 7, 9:27 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 7 Mrz., 14:17, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I could even be Albert Einstein in my next life. Or Helen of Troy. Or
> > > > > my own grand-dad. <<<fran
>
> > > > > No fran, that is not how it works, you cannot commandeer the soul of
> > > > > someone else. You can only be "you" forever, from here in on out or
> > > > > from then on. Even in space time, would you challenge the possibility
> > > > > that the soul could retain its integrity? Soul is your being, your
> > > > > essence in life, you are who you are because of your soul.
>
> > > > There seem to be things you see clearly, Slip, that I don't see at all
> > > > - or maybe it's the other way round. I am who I am because I am who I
> > > > am; my consciousness, my experiences, my mind, my body and brain, my
> > > > memories, my relationships with others. A unity which I experience as
> > > > me. I don't need to call it a soul, because I regard this concept as
> > > > superfluous, much as I regard the concept of God as superfluous.
>
> > > > You, fran, can see the difference when you go out and about in the
> > > > world around
>
> > > > > you. There is obviously a huge difference between you and many other
> > > > > people, and when you ask why is that, which you have at times, you can
> > > > > simply attribute it all to the fact that your soul has accumulated
> > > > > knowledge and understanding throughout many lifetimes.
>
> > > > I don't see the need to posit any part of what I am as being due to
> > > > knowledge and understanding which my "soul" has accumulated throughout
> > > > many lifetimes. I am the product of the life I have lived over the
> > > > past almost 49 years, starting with the unique genetic mix of my
> > > > conception, moving through the development of my body and
> > > > consciousness and all that I have experienced in that time, everything
> > > > continuously interacting with everything else. I am not who I was ten
> > > > years ago, nor who I will be - if I'm still around - in ten years
> > > > time. Yet there is continuity here, a continuity consisting of my
> > > > consciousness in continual dialogue with my memory and in the
> > > > perception of those around me, along with a biological continual
> > > > development (even if few of the molecules are still the same after ten
> > > > years). But none of this needs some kind of immaterial soul to hold it
> > > > together.
>
> > > > It's rather
>
> > > > > simple really. As I said earlier, in this day and age when we have
> > > > > microwaves and space travel, computers, cell phones, dvd, cd, etc, I
> > > > > find it hard to believe the disbelief in this theory.
> > > > > In other words, we can store gobs of information on a piece of plastic
> > > > > but we can't have a soul?
>
> > > > The analogy doesn't work, Slip, in my opinion. We don't store the
> > > > information on plastic but rather on a magnetic stripe (or an or a
> > > > chip on the plastic), where binary code is laid down according to
> > > > particular magneto-electrical processes. Even if I don't understand
> > > > all the science or engineering involved, I am acquainted with the
> > > > basic principles and, if I had the inclination, could learn more about
> > > > the details. With the simple use of a magnet I can scramble it all.
> > > > The same goes for various techniques involved in modulating the
> > > > frequency of particular forms of electromagnetic radiation, such as is
> > > > the case in microwave ovens and cell phones. They are physical
> > > > phenomena, explainable by science. On a cd or dvd, "data are stored as
> > > > a series of tiny indentations known as “pits”, encoded in a tightly
> > > > packed spiral track molded into the top of the polycarbonate layer.
> > > > The areas between pits are known as “lands”. Each pit is approximately
> > > > 100 nm deep by 500 nm wide, and varies from 850 nm to 3.5 µm in
> > > > length., The spacing between the tracks, the pitch, is 1.6 µm. A CD is
> > > > read by focusing a 780 nm wavelength (near infrared) semiconductor
> > > > laser through the bottom of the polycarbonate layer. The change in
> > > > height between pits and lands results in a difference in intensity in
> > > > the light reflected. By measuring the intensity change with a
> > > > photodiode, the data can be read from the disc." (Wikipedia) The soul,
> > > > whatever it may or may not be, is not subject to this sort of analysis
> > > > or discourse.
>
> > > > Francis- Hide quoted text -
>
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