Please forgive me for being so unclear as seeming to dismiss rationality. Just as I think the ego is essential to character and important because it allows us to react and in a split second and not have to learn everything over and over again, I know that the rational mind is essential to the development of logic and allows all kinds of necessary organization for individuals and groups. But we don't end there, there is much more. Our first inklings of soul may take us into uncomfortable and unfamiliar territory - karma can be a bitch! Many of us slip back into our rational comfort zones and try to forget the calling of soul. But call it will, louder and louder, until a dark night takes us into that place of nothingness where we are met with our own humility and invited into the connection of gratitude. For the brave, soul searching eventually gets much better than that. By developing our intuition, meditation and contemplation of the beautiful, we continue our soul searching in ways that are our own.
For me, my exploration of karma and soul finally became joyful when I was able to look at multiple past lives simultaneously and recognize patterns of identity and value. At that point, what was good and evil in those lives lost their charge because I could understand the balance in the opposition (sorry for mixing threads here.) I think this is the point where we can let go of our karma - and look at all lives, feeling the inherent sacred nature. Karma and its cause and effect are released and no longer in control. The soul searching became much more joyful from here, and I think its because this turning point allows us a direct line to spirit. When we embrace all others as self, all other lives as perfect and complete, the soul has fully matured. In writing this, I can again experience the sensation. Just as when the ego matures, it can step aside and allow our higher nature to direct response, at the point mentioned above, the mature soul steps aside to allow that direct experience of spirit. Yet both aspects of self continue to support us, allow us to sense and experience who we are. But here, as you say Slip, we can create our own experience unencumbered by karma, riding the river of spirit as it flows. I think that there are, and always have been, people that live their lives as heaven on earth. There are, I think, myriad people in just as many stages of development, all moving through experience in a way that provides a congregate harmony. To know and truly feel the perfection in this is heaven on earth. I won't pretend to be in tune with the infinite every moment. But I have my moments. They can be as painful as saying goodbye to a loved one for the last time, feeling that we are always together. They can be as simple as smelling a rose in my garden on a warm spring day and feeling the joy of that moment in everyone. Or they can be more complex and much more globally triumphant. But that is not necessary. Glamour and world recognition aren't necessary. Integration and connection are. That is my experience so far, anyway. On Mar 16, 11:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Molly; > It does not matter how late you arrive to the affair, as your presence > is always of pertinence and your contributions appreciated, by, let's > say, most. > The responses to this thread are insightful and show the true depth of > Minds Eye thinkers. As for as soul, we shredded the theory, concept > and belief into finite fragmentation. Your take on soul does coincide > with mine as being the eternal vessel that holds our identity from all > lives. I believe the vessel is mostly empty upon initial birth and > accumulation of knowledge occurs with each lifetime. However, this > did not go over too well with the scientific community, so I decided > to package and market souls, still waiting for the first buyer, seems > no one is really interested in having one, I guess it's the > maintenance aspect that is the deterrent. > How the infinity thread transitioned to soul is beyond reach for me, > but I just ride the river when it flows. One never knows when the > amenities of life will cease to be, so eat when there is food and > laugh in times of jest. I agree that the more we are in tune with our > soul the more the Spirit of cosmic knowledge becomes our cornucopia of > infinite experience. > Perhaps we are escapees from an exploding Krypton that happened upon a > sustainable planet or dumped here by beings from the other side of the > black hole. For me none of that matters because I still relax in the > Jacuzzi under the stars or in the midday, reflecting on my life in the > past, the present or the future. > I would not discount the rational mind so dismissively as it tends to > lay out a clearly defined map that bypasses all the garbage and stench > of the disparaged world. We must rationalize in order to establish > order within ourselves and that part of the world that is immediately > around us. The soul avoids detriment through the rational mind. There > are two sides to rationale Molly, and yes it is true that some use > rationale to avoid much about soul. I personally cannot ignore it, as > I know my paintings, music, and general artistry and multiplicity come > from somewhere beyond here. I wasn't given the name hombre milagro for > nothing. The name comes from the fact that I have the innate sense > that I can do anything that my mind sets forth to do. And, if that is > unachievable there will be someone else that will simply come along to > get it done for me. I've learned much in this lifetime so far and > have much more to learn as we all do, as individuals and as > societies. > We struggle and press forward in the hope that one day, as in a dream, > life will simply become the utopia it was meant to be. I find no need > for economic systems, but simply the need for each to understand that > souls, as much as being individual, are all part of a unity of cosmic > knowledge. I don't see this happening any time soon because humanity > is continually preoccupied with self. > > On Mar 16, 2:17 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am so sorry to be late to this discussion! As I read through the > > many viewpoints, I can't help but see the thread of truth in all - and > > that thread leads to soul! I see the soul as our eternal vessel, > > holding our identity from all lives, karma, and also having senses > > like the body has senses. "Let those with eyes see!" This well known > > passage, of course, refers to soul vision. I think that like the ego, > > that holds our personality and patterns of sensation coming from the > > physical senses, our soul allows us sensations of spirit and the > > infinite. The more in tune we are to our soul and all it offers, the > > more we allow God, or spirit or the infinite aspect of life into our > > lives and experience. The more in tune we are with our rational mind, > > the less our soulful nature is expressed. > > > Of course, everything expressed here is true, because each of us has a > > viewpoint that reflects varying degrees of rationality and > > soulfulness. > > > I marvel at Justin's ability to make the philosophical case for the > > possibility of soul, as it requires neither time nor space, but > > realizes both through the recognition of our individual lives and > > moments. I can also appreciate Pat's ability to allow physics to lead > > the way to soul, and while we may not have definitive theories today, > > there may be some tomorrow with a simple change in viewpoint. I > > smile, of course, and agree with Neil's plea for soul to show itself > > in this world with love and harmony. And empathize with Slip's > > intuitive understanding, which I can feel and understand best. Vam's > > words are like water, the very nature of spirit. And gabby, like the > > bible, leads us along with allegory, very soulful, indeed. > > > Of course you know, that I believe this group to be a wonderful soul > > process, as we hold the space of possibility in points across the > > globe. Thanks for the contemplation. > > > On Mar 15, 1:59 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Wood, you have completely misconstrued the meaning of my post which > > > you also have taken as an individual post without consideration of it > > > being a reply to the post of another. > > > > Let's clarify! > > > Fran posted on Mar 7, at 10:02 "But none of this "needs" some kind > > > of immaterial soul to hold it > > > together. > > > (in other words fran does not find the need to have a soul) > > > > So I responded with........."The soul is not something you "need", it > > > is something you have, something you are.” > > > > So I am not stating that I don't "Need" a soul but more so that a soul > > > does not exist "Out of Need". > > > > Is this clear? > > > > IF you will read further you will see that I clearly state my view of > > > soul within the Mar 7 10:39 post I wrote: > > > > I think the "key" word here is "need", which clearly was not a part or > > > portion of any soul posit. > > > You don't have a soul because you need one, you just have one. > > > You don't have a physical body because you need one, you just have > > > one. Look in the mirror, you are there! Not because you "Need" to be > > > there but because you just are, just as your soul IS. > > > > Are the clouds dissipating? > > > > You are really making my work here wood! > > > > Remember to read back through posts, especially since you come in to > > > visit rarely. You can't just show up at will, pick out one post and > > > comment on it without reviewing the entire thread. Now come by > > > everyday and become an active participant in our group. > > > > Good! Now it is clear. > > > > On Mar 14, 11:15 pm, wood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > ?????? > > > > It’s not something you need?... all this time I’ve kept my soul > > > > sacred, and places great value upon it … and all these time I didn’t > > > > even need a need? I feel I’ve wasted my life… > > > > Ok before I say anything else let me give you, a chance reflect on > > > > what you have wrote. > > > > > On Mar 7, 8:02 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am who I am because I am who I > > > > > am; my consciousness, my experiences, my mind, my body and brain, my > > > > > memories, my relationships with others. A unity which I experience as > > > > > me.<<<fran > > > > > > You are who you are because you are who you are? > > > > > A unity that you "experience" as you? > > > > > > Really? > > > > > > Having a soul has nothing whatsoever to do with a god, fran. > > > > > > starting with the unique genetic mix of my > > > > > conception<<fran > > > > > > Uh huh, the unique genetic mix? Do you hear yourself? > > > > > > and all that I have "experienced" in that time, everything > > > > > continuously interacting with everything else.<<<<fran > > > > > > Yeah, that's good, keep going, "experienced" in that time. Possibly > > > > > soul accumulation. > > > > > > But none of this needs some kind of immaterial soul to hold it > > > > > together. <<<fran > > > > > > The soul is not something you need, it is something you have, > > > > > something you are. > > > > > > And now you are going to delineate the makings of data storage blah > > > > > blah blah............boring! > > > > > > So you can't see beyond planet earth? > > > > > > On Mar 7, 11:27 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Mrz., 14:17, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I could even be Albert Einstein in my next life. Or Helen of > > > > > > > Troy. Or > > > > > > > my own grand-dad. <<<fran > > > > > > > > No fran, that is not how it works, you cannot commandeer the soul > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > someone else. You can only be "you" forever, from here in on out > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > from then on. Even in space time, would you challenge the > > > > > > > possibility > > > > > > > that the soul could retain its integrity? Soul is your being, > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > essence in life, you are who you are because of your soul. > > > > > > > There seem to be things you see clearly, Slip, that I don't see at > > > > > > all > > > > > > - or maybe it's the other way round. I am who I am because I am who > > > > > > I > > > > > > am; my consciousness, my experiences, my mind, my body and brain, my > > > > > > memories, my relationships with others. A unity which I experience > > > > > > as > > > > > > me. I don't need to call it a soul, because I regard this concept as > > > > > > superfluous, much as I regard the concept of God as superfluous. > > > > > > > You, fran, can see the difference when you go out and about in the > > > > > > world around > > > > > > > > you. There is obviously a huge difference between you and many > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > people, and when you ask why is that, which you have at times, > > > > > > > you can > > > > > > > simply attribute it all to the fact that your soul has accumulated > > > > > > > knowledge and understanding throughout many lifetimes. > > > > > > > I don't see the need to posit any part of what I am as being due to > > > > > > knowledge and understanding which my "soul" has accumulated > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
