You could have mentioned that karma means nothing without dharma, the right action.
On 22 Mrz., 23:48, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I remember your thread concerning Dr. Weiss and the correlation of > past, present and future life examination through hypnosis, and his > contention that each life was in simultaneous occurrence, with time at > some point, having no consequence. Can't say that I agreed with all > of it, but that was another topic altogether so I'll move on. Perhaps > we can revive that thread at some point in the future. > Karma issue has a high degree of relevance. I have a friend, M who > I've know for over 30 years. After her divorce she began to render aid > to homeless street people and subsequently suffered the reality that > she was going down hill the whole time. I suggested to M several > times that she might be intervening in someone's bad karma and as a > result she was going to have to go down with the ship. M's lack of > understanding and naivete in such matters allowed her to continue in > the fruitless rescue of society's dregs believing that she was doing > the right thing and that positive results would ensue. She has since > lost custody of her children for allowing them to be exposed to the > abhorrent and debased behavior of these people. Now that M's lost her > home and living a substandard life equivalent to her underlings, I > feel she has passed through the event horizon, never to return to > normalcy. It seems like I don't even know her anymore, in fact > haven't heard from her in a couple of years. Is it just coincidental > or is there a more powerful force at work adamant over the fact that M > is standing in the way of retributive karma? So in answer to your > question; how would one know? I would have to say; take a look at the > results, discern whether a situation is worthwhile, a hopeless cause > or a waste of time and energy, not to mention the financial fallout. > > On Mar 22, 12:18 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree Slip, belief can be a powerful filter for experience. I am > > wondering about intervening in a karmic reaping. How would one know? > > What if it is the exorcist's karma that compels him to become the > > exorcist? Often, events driven by karma are the result of karmic > > relationship. According to Dr. Brian Weiss, what often leads people > > to explore past life regression are the problems of difficult > > relationships, and the quest for answers about them. I, myself, > > explored past lives looking for answers about my problematic > > relationship with my youngest son. I will say that, given the broad > > view of the soul connection, the relationship spontaneously improved > > without any outward communication. I was impressed with that result. > > It also changed my perspective on many other aspects of life. > > > On Mar 22, 1:01 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I guess there would be some news report about the flying suitcases > > > which must have been witnessed by others, or was he the only person on > > > the train? I have felt at times that certain incidences in my life > > > were the result of a spiritual attack, to thwart my intent or > > > direction at the time. Not exactly flying suitcases but highly > > > traumatic to the point of instilling a sense of serious apprehension > > > upon considerations towards involvement in certain activities. I > > > would have to be personally compelled and driven by personal need to > > > take part in something that may incite an irruption. My beliefs stem > > > from personal experience, not from literal translations of historical > > > accounts or offerings from religious communities. Prior to those > > > experiences, I shared the understandable doubt of such things and > > > relegated them to simple fantasy and imagination. Through the 60's a > > > new awareness began to take hold and in retrospect I saw that many > > > such occurrences took place even as far back as my single digit age. > > > At this time in life I wonder if it is wise to intervene in a > > > situation that might be the result of someones karmic reaping. People > > > think we can rectify every situation that has gone awry in the lives > > > of others without consideration that we may be challenging a much > > > greater force. While still harboring specific reservations I guess it > > > all comes down to ones beliefs Molly, as you say you think it is all > > > true and others think it is movie magic. > > > > On Mar 22, 10:33 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I knew a priest who claimed to be on a train, going to the exorcism > > > > that William Blatty's book was based on. As Father Bill tells the > > > > story (and I had several discussions with him), there were suitcases > > > > and other things flying on their own across the train at this priest > > > > before he ever got to the exorcism. Father Bill was a cool guy, a > > > > family man, a very well known and respected priest in the Chicago > > > > Archdioceses. I have known (and currently know one) Catholic Priests > > > > who were exorcists throughout my life. It is kept quite hush hush by > > > > the church but the men I know are bright and strong and very well put > > > > together. I guess you would have to be. I think it is true. But > > > > then again, I think it is all true - and perfect for the level of > > > > consciousness in operation. In the big picture, there is only > > > > Brahman. In microcosm, anything is possible. > > > > > On Mar 22, 7:54 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I like William Peter Blatty's The Exorcist. Unlike the movie, the > > > > > book never commits to supernatural forces. The telekinesis part of > > > > > the story is a little freaky but a smart girl could have figured out > > > > > how to fool a terrified mom. It's more about a priest's doubt and a > > > > > neuritic mom then anything else. And fear of the unknown, of course. > > > > > All in all, a quick, interesting read. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Lack of exhibition does not substantiate the claim. Evil does not > > > > > > imply that a newborn should immediately do a 360 headspin, hiss and > > > > > > spit blood out at you. This in no way indicates that evil does not > > > > > > exist within a person or that it may manifest at a later date and > > > > > > time, especially if there is intent, such as may be the case with > > > > > > little Tim Kretschmer and Thomas Sullivan Jr (link). > > > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/11/nyregion/boy-kills-mother-and-himse... > > > > > > There are numerous other examples of course and whether or not they > > > > > > are attributed to evil is speculation without any means of > > > > > > establishing factual evidence. > > > > > > The argument of evil, or the evil argument, remains problematic in > > > > > > that we can only deduce from a set premise only to reach a fallible > > > > > > conclusion. We cannot prove or disprove the existence of evil but > > > > > > only present assertions laden with ambiguity and perplexities and > > > > > > there are no uniform opinions on the matter other than those of > > > > > > segmented groups within society that deem evil existence as a > > > > > > necessity to their function. Maybe we can simply eradicate evil > > > > > > entirely by ruling out its existence through euphemistic tactic and > > > > > > rid ourselves of it for good and the world can live in peace, and > > > > > > find > > > > > > closure, of course. lol :-) > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 7:04 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Because they exhibit zero evidence of such. They exhibit only > > > > > >> evidence > > > > > >> that they are hungry, tired, or uncomfortable, and when the > > > > > >> appropriate stimulus is applied, they become peaceful. Have you > > > > > >> ever > > > > > >> seen behaviour from an infant that you consider to be truly mean > > > > > >> spirited that could not be more accurately attributed to another > > > > > >> more > > > > > >> common infantile behaviour? > > > > > > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Infants aren't mean spirited.<<<CJ > > > > > > >> > How do you know this? > > > > > > >> > On Mar 21, 10:34 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> "Mean Spirited" typically goes hand in hand with either > > > > > >> >> "spoiled", > > > > > >> >> "neglected", or "abused". > > > > > > >> >> Infants aren't mean spirited. > > > > > > >> >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > She boiled her baby because a series of > > > > > >> >> > childhood traumas and negative adult life events led her to a > > > > > >> >> > crystal > > > > > >> >> > meth addiction which so impaired her judgement that she quite > > > > > >> >> > literally lost her mind. Neither of these hypothetical > > > > > >> >> > examples is in > > > > > >> >> > any way supportive of the concept of innate evil. <<<CJ > > > > > > >> >> > Actually she was a mean spirited little girl whose parents > > > > > >> >> > sent her > > > > > >> >> > off to live in a convent under the loving care of nuns who > > > > > >> >> > nurtured > > > > > >> >> > her into a tender loving woman, so kind and sweet she was, > > > > > >> >> > until that > > > > > >> >> > day came, the day that no one understands, the day that she > > > > > >> >> > killed her > > > > > >> >> > husband and boiled her baby.................but the scientific > > > > > >> >> > community said it was just postpartum disorder, a simple > > > > > >> >> > hormonal mood > > > > > >> >> > swing, not to worry. > > > > > > >> >> > On Mar 20, 11:39 pm, Chris Jenkins > > > > > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Slip Disc > > > > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> > How can something be both innate, and learned?<<CJ > > > > > > >> >> >> > I see a problem here on the interpretive level. > > > > > > >> >> >> > I said clearly......... "As much as we can accept the > > > > > >> >> >> > (possibility) > > > > > >> >> >> > that good and > > > > > >> >> >> > evil are innate qualities embedded in the psyche , we > > > > > >> >> >> > (can't rule out) > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
