The Tantras are well known Vam - Lyotard was my teacher for a while
and he was inclined to discuss economics through them.  I tend to
prefer sex in private to the chronic public displays of masturbatory
pop music.  And a curse on the whole of India for sending the IPL to
South Africa just because your boys aren't tough enough to withstand
April weather in the UK!

On 24 Mar, 03:19, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> LOL, Neil !  Google Search for Vigyan Bhairav Tantra, for MF
> techniques for higher consciousness. It's a 5000 years old treatise.
>
> On Mar 23, 6:43 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > LOL Vam - had some else said this I would probably have responded by
> > saying musak is always merely a prelude!  As it was you I will just
> > say that you should have noticed there is always something
> > instrumental about women and one should proceed with the caution you
> > always advocate.  I prefer abandon.
>
> > On 23 Mar, 07:23, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > There is nothing cynical, Neil, about regarding the female form as the
> > > ultimate ' musical ' instrumental, of quite another kind. Just as, the
> > > females do unto the male form.
>
> > > Now, something about the ' music ' that proceeds ...
>
> > > On Mar 23, 11:53 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Bugger - now even the milk bottles outside my porch aren't safe from
> > > > the 'musak farties'!  I'm always struck that great orators invariably
> > > > turn out to be lying shits unless they get assassinated like JFK.  The
> > > > 'great musak' is much the same, mindless pap that infiltrates the mind
> > > > through the viscera and allows goons to communicate about what is neat
> > > > without ever working out anything real.  Some will think I only
> > > > pretend cynicism here, and that I believe music has its place.  That
> > > > place is right where the sun don't shine if you vomit the stuff into
> > > > my space.  Music was particularly awful amongst the communist block
> > > > protesters - it took me some time to realise the 'message'.  Later,
> > > > hearing even more tuneless and guileless dunnage than appreciated by
> > > > affecionados in here, I falsely believed the Burmese were about to
> > > > stage an uprising against the grim fascists oil companies have
> > > > installed there.  I was wrong - Burmese music is just truly dreadful.
> > > > If you should stray into a jazz club and find me there, it's only
> > > > because I have developed something of a taste for women who pretend to
> > > > like jazz ...
>
> > > > On 22 Mar, 04:38, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You would love my  girlfriend's compositions. She's a classical 
> > > > > pianist who loves to experiment with raw instrumentation like blowing 
> > > > > across bottles and various percussive objects. She and her best 
> > > > > friend get together and lay down free form tracks on a Saturday  
> > > > > night that rival much of what I hear on experimental channels.
>
> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:ornamentalmind 
> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" 
> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:24:53 -0700 
> > > > > (PDT)Local:Sat 21 Mar 2009 23:24Subject:[Mind's Eye] Re: The slow 
> > > > > death of rock music
>
> > > > > "Nobody tops John Coltrane on sax...." - DJ
>
> > > > > Funny, when I came in to read this I was listening to him on Pandora!
> > > > > I played sax in a few jazz bands, but flute was my major instrument.
> > > > > I'm about as eclectic as possible when it comes to music. At one music
> > > > > school, as a student assistant working in the music library, I would
> > > > > look for the most unique LPs to listen to...Nunsuch etc.
> > > > > (sp?).....even things like rocks and bottles on strings, in the
> > > > > wind...anything fresh to hear.
> > > > > My stations on Pandora run from jazz to different specific classical
> > > > > styles, hard rock, Cleo Lane, Frank S, Beatles, Lute, Tellemann, the
> > > > > Stones, Spike Jones (for real! a great station for the eclectic at
> > > > > heart)...enough of my reverie.
>
> > > > > On Mar 21, 1:18 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Stanley Jordan uses this technique.  Very impressive to watch him
> > > > > > play.  Learned classical piano and switched to guitar in his teens.
> > > > > > I'm more of a Herbie Hancock fan over Miles Davis.  Empyrean Isles;
> > > > > > wow.  Miles is a genius but a bit discordant and weird for my 
> > > > > > tastes.
> > > > > > I was also very impressed with screamer Maynard Ferguson.  I spent
> > > > > > many an hour blowing my chops in high school trying to play Gonna 
> > > > > > Fly
> > > > > > Now like he did.  I was sad to see him go last year.  Dizzy
> > > > > > Gillespie's Flight of the Bumble Bee and A Night In Tunisia are also
> > > > > > personal favorites.  Those are my favorite horn players.
>
> > > > > > Nobody tops John Coltrane on sax.   He set the bar and nobody has 
> > > > > > ever
> > > > > > knocked it down or ever will.  The perfect relaxation music.  And so
> > > > > > sophisticated.  I like his work with vocalist John Hartman.  Simply
> > > > > > fabulous.
>
> > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Never could get into that genre, but I guess it's the age
> > > > > > > differential.  I grabbed my first guitar around 1958 or so when 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > industry was still dominated by the crooners, Bing Crosby, Dean
> > > > > > > Martin, Sinatra, Pat Boone types, while Rock and Roll was wedging 
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > way in.  R&R was the bane of the WWII generation.  While I did 
> > > > > > > get a
> > > > > > > good fill of the standards, I hated the Doo Wop sound and R&R 
> > > > > > > seemed a
> > > > > > > bit like jingle music to me, as did the early Beatles, I want to 
> > > > > > > hold
> > > > > > > your hand stuff.  I preferred early Stones, Eric Burden/Animals,
> > > > > > > Cream, Crosby Stills Nash, Hendrix, Dylan, Emerson Lake & Palmer,
> > > > > > > Blood Sweat and Tears, The Yardbirds, Motown and off road jazz 
> > > > > > > styles
> > > > > > > like Thelonious Monk, Weather Report and others.  I was high 
> > > > > > > schooling
> > > > > > > in nyc at the time so I spent much time at concerts in central 
> > > > > > > park
> > > > > > > and hanging out in the village, when it was a cool place to be.
> > > > > > > Music was for a long time on the more gentler side when it all 
> > > > > > > seemed
> > > > > > > to get dark and heavy, like the top blew off the pressure cooker, 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > anything and everything was go, a pandora's box. The waters became
> > > > > > > muddy without direction and so creativity and originality was a 
> > > > > > > loose
> > > > > > > free for all.  It's been a roller coaster ride ever since.  I 
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > play older Steely Dan, Doobie's with McDonald tunes and lots of
> > > > > > > instrumentals when I'm in the mood and listen to Miles Davis as a
> > > > > > > background when I'm busy with something else to do. I imagine that
> > > > > > > soon there will be someone to come up with something new but I 
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > we've reached a state of confinement with the four piece band 
> > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > Bass, Drums, Guitar, Keyboard.  If we don't incorporate some new
> > > > > > > instruments the sound may continue to flounder.  I thought the 10
> > > > > > > string Chapman Stick was going to go big but I only knew a few 
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > who really grasped the instrument, even though the sound was 
> > > > > > > great.
> > > > > > > Both hands play on the fret board by tapping the strings.  If 
> > > > > > > your not
> > > > > > > familiar, here's a link where you could also check out some sample
> > > > > > > tracks.  http://www.stick.com/instruments/
>
> > > > > > >> Living in the West of Ireland, he put me and some of my friends 
> > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > >> touch with the exciting cutting edge of rock music. He made it
> > > > > > >> possible for me to hear stuff from the Sex Pistols and the 
> > > > > > >> Clash, at a
> > > > > > >> time where you couldn't hear punk in Ireland at all (that was 
> > > > > > >> before
> > > > > > >> the Radiators from Space and the Boomtown Rats started producing 
> > > > > > >> Irish
> > > > > > >> punk). Some years later I heard him pushing the Cocteau Twins 
> > > > > > >> and was
> > > > > > >> chuffed by the thought that I had discovered them before he did,
> > > > > > >> seeing them play live in the legendary Melkweg in Amsterdam in 
> > > > > > >> 1981.
>
> > > > > > >> He's on record as saying that "Teenage Kicks" from the 
> > > > > > >> Undertones was
> > > > > > >> the best rock single ever, and look what's happened to them - 
> > > > > > >> gone
> > > > > > >> over to the enemy with a vengance :-):
> > > > > > >>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergal_Sharkey
>
> > > > > > >> Although I officially don't believe in an afterlife, I'm sure 
> > > > > > >> John is
> > > > > > >> still spinning records in rock'n'roll heaven and giving his 
> > > > > > >> honest,
> > > > > > >> and not always complementary, opinions to all the other residents
> > > > > > >> there, as well as having a great time with a lot of old friends!
>
> > > > > > >> Francis
>
> > > > > > >> On 20 Mrz., 22:48, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > See how John Peel lives on:http://www.myspace.com/johnpeel
>
> > > > > > >> > On 20 Mrz., 14:29, frantheman <[email protected]> 
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > So, maybe in the wonderful future, someone will have to 
> > > > > > >> > > explain this
> > > > > > >> > > to aspiring musicians? ;-)
>
> > > > > > >> > > Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
> > > > > > >> > > You're gonna go far, fly high,
> > > > > > >> > > You're never gonna die,
> > > > > > >> > > You're gonna make it if you try;
> > > > > > >> > > They're gonna love you.
> > > > > > >> > > Well I've always had a deep respect,
> > > > > > >> > > And I mean that most sincerely.
> > > > > > >> > > The band is just fantastic,
> > > > > > >> > > that is really what I think.
> > > > > > >> > > Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
> > > > > > >> > > And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
> > > > > > >> > > We call it Riding the Gravy Train.
>
> > > > > > >> > > We're just knocked out.
> > > > > > >> > > We heard about the sell out.
> > > > > > >> > > You gotta get an album out.
> > > > > > >> > > You owe it to the people.
> > > > > > >> > > We're so happy we can hardly count.
> > > > > > >> > > Everybody else is just green,
> > > > > > >> > > Have you seen the chart?
> > > > > > >> > > It's a helluva start,
> > > > > > >> > > It could be made into a monster
> > > > > > >> > > If we all pull together as a team.
> > > > > > >> > > And did we tell you the name of the
>
> ...
>
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