Chalk it up to keeping up appearances,
> or to herd instinct, we have a tendency to do what's right.

I agree if you add 'when we think someone is watching us' to that
sentence.  Fear of getting caught keeps some of us on the strait and
narrow.  Some cultures deify ancestors.  This is smart because who
wants to misbehave if they know their beloved grandmother is watching
them beyond the grave?  We'll do what feels good if we think we can
get away with it.  Our parents teach us what is permissible and what
isn't.  We learn by their example and from what we see others do and
get away with.  I was taught lying and stealing are wrong and those
who practice these habits deserve contempt.  That's not to say I
haven't done both in my misspent youth but at least I feel ashamed
about it.  Too often I see youth with no compunction on lying or stealing.
They'll regale you with stories of derring-do involving heisted cars
or cheating on their wives and elaborate lies they told to get
themselves out of trouble.  It's almost like the more they get away
with the bigger man they are.  This is permissible in their culture
because everyone they hang out with is the same way.  Movies and pop
music that glorify crime don't help.

We all want to be accepted in our society.  Our society is so diverse
that it depends on who we're with at any given moment of the day what
is acceptable and what isn't.  I respect religion's role in providing
a structured moral compass for us even if the religion's leaders don't
always follow the rules as closely as we'd like.  These leaders are
people and make mistakes just like we do.  Yes, they should be held to
a higher standard but it should be expected that  many will fail.
Just as all politics is local, I believe it's the same with religion.
If you don't like your local clergy leadership you can always find
another one.  That's the beauty of competition.

dj



On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I understand your fears, I have expirienced them myself when leaving
> religion behind.  I think the correct answer is, humans are for the
> most part, inherantly moral.  Chalk it up to keeping up appearances,
> or to herd instinct, we have a tendency to do what's right.
>
> Athiests start with a fair, base assumption on a Universe without a
> moral guiding hand, and in that Universe there is a such thing as
> Morality, obviously a useful trait in some way to humankind.  What I
> find is a bit dishonest in many athiests viewpoints is the denial that
> the existance of Relgion may have use to humankind as well.
> >
>

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