Hey Slip, No I do get it, I don't like it but I do get it. My stance is really one of what I belive should ultimatly happen
On 9 Apr, 16:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > If you can't see that immigration needs to have some sort of control > then you are ignoring an important point I made above. > > Problems quickly arise when the influx of > foreigners cause bottlenecks in the flow of necessary goods, medical > care, education and housing. We can't just open the floodgates of > immigration without some control over the process. > > Immigration is good when the flow is manageable. I think that is very > obvious! > > On Apr 9, 9:26 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Slip, > > > You start by declaring that freedom of movment nor immigration is in > > question, and then go on to tell us why movement and immigration > > should be controled more vigourously? > > > Heh so apart from that, I also don't get the home thing? You are > > eqauting somebodys home, with a country that has an influx of > > immigrants? > > > In all honesty slip, I am disgusted with the issue of immigration, the > > worms really do start to crawl out of the wood. To my mind a human is > > a human is a human, faith nor 'race' nor politics changes that fact. > > If we do not offer aid to those that truely need it, like for example > > an immigrant fleeing their war torn country, then what sort of people > > are we? > > > Patriotism? Well that's just such a divisive thing that I have no > > time for it. If we were indeed all free to move, live and work where > > we wanted to, then the notion of culture would eventualy goe out of > > the window. > > > Why is it important to cling to culture anyway? > > > On 9 Apr, 15:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Freedom of movement nor immigration is in question. The > > > disproportionate figures that inhibit gradual assimilation and further > > > undermine the native culture is obviously a dilemma for many > > > countries. Further it is not about a specific cultural immigration, > > > though there are some that are flowing in faster than a country can > > > properly account for them. Problems quickly arise when the influx of > > > foreigners cause bottlenecks in the flow of necessary goods, medical > > > care, education and housing. We can't just open the floodgates of > > > immigration without some control over the process. In similar > > > respects, after disasters, shelters find themselves overburdened by > > > the sudden demand on accommodation. Consider thousands of foreigners > > > moving to a region that is experiencing high unemployment and a > > > serious ongoing drought that is causing a depletion of resources, and > > > see that the migration as problematic. Who might feed these > > > immigrants and who is going to pay for their survival? > > > Immigrants can be irresponsible in respect to not addressing the issue > > > of available resource at the intended location and instead usually > > > just pack up and move out hoping things will be better elsewhere. > > > Then once there, they start demanding rights under the immigration > > > laws further putting a strain on the native culture. When the > > > melting pot starts to boil over everyone gets burned. I provided a > > > link to show how Taxi drivers are treating "citizens" with > > > discriminatory practice based on personal religious belief. This is > > > not how it works in a separation of church and state country, but you > > > can see how, as numbers increase and infiltration within governmental > > > position (also going on) by Muslims take place, that the laws of the > > > land will lean towards their perspective and persuasions. > > > I'm sure you don't want people moving into your house because things > > > aren't going too well for them at their place. If you came home one > > > day and found 5 people sitting around your house because they lost > > > theirs to foreclosure, what would you do? I can hear it now, "Hi > > > Lee, thought we would come over your place because we lost our house > > > to the bank, oh by the way I want you to know we are Muslims, strongly > > > disapprove of alcohol so please don't drink any around my family, > > > please keep the noise down while we are praying, and thanks for > > > putting us up until we can get our own place, don't worry about our > > > dogs out back because they are friendly pit bulls, Now! what's for > > > dinner?". > > > > On Apr 9, 3:23 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Slip. > > > > > The freedom of movement I belive is a fundemental one. We should all > > > > be free to move, live and work where we want. To be able to better > > > > our condition espeacily if we have dependants. > > > > > I get you point about staying put and working to change that > > > > inviroment for the better, but really these types of changes are > > > > brought about by great people, and as we know great people are great > > > > because they are better than the norm. > > > > > I'm not a great man, I am agreat dad, and great at my chossen carrer, > > > > but to change the world, naah mate that needs better people than I. > > > > > On 30 Mar, 14:56, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've read about some of the serious problems facing countries due to > > > > > Muslim immigration proportions. I find it bad enough here that > > > > > signage needs to be English and Spanish and wondering how long it will > > > > > take for the signs to also accommodate the Muslims. This is "Not" > > > > > assimilation but first level overpowering! > > > > > > Why don't people just stick it out in their homeland and find a way to > > > > > make life better there? > > > > > > Please be > > > > > Opinionated!!http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511361,00.html > > > > > > Article: > > > > > > As America's Muslim population grows, so too does the influence of > > > > > Islamic law, or Shariah, in daily life in the U.S. > > > > > > "Shariah Law is the totality of the Muslim's obligation," said > > > > > Abdullahi An-Na'im, a professor of law at Emory University in Atlanta. > > > > > According to An-Na'im, Shariah is similar to Jewish Talmudic Law or > > > > > Catholic Canon Law in that it guides an adherent's moral conduct. > > > > > > "As a citizen, I am a subject of the United States," An-Na'im said. "I > > > > > owe allegiance to the United States, to the Constitution of the United > > > > > States. That is not inconsistent with observing a religious code in > > > > > terms of my own personal behavior." > > > > > > While many view this as a testament to the "great American melting > > > > > pot," others see Islamic law's growing influence as a threat. > > > > > Shariah's critics point to cases such as the airport in Minneapolis, > > > > > where some Shariah-adherent taxi drivers made headlines in 2006 for > > > > > refusing to pick up passengers they suspected of carrying liquor. The > > > > > drivers' aversion to alcohol stemmed from a verse in the Qur'an that > > > > > describes "intoxicants and gambling" as "an abomination of Satan's > > > > > handiwork." > > > > > > Last year, a Tyson Foods plant in Shelbyville, Tenn. replaced its > > > > > traditional Labor Day holiday with paid time off on Eid al-Fitr, the > > > > > Muslim festival — marking the end of fasting during Ramadan. A labor > > > > > union had requested the change on behalf of hundreds of Muslim > > > > > employees— many of them were immigrants from Somalia. > > > > > > But public outcry over the decision to dismiss Labor Day quickly > > > > > prompted the company and union to negotiate a new contract that makes > > > > > accommodations for both holidays. > > > > > > In 2007, the University of Michigan installed ritual foot baths to > > > > > accommodate Islamic tradition. "These things are beginning to > > > > > percolate up as Shariah-adherent Muslims insist that their preferences > > > > > and practices be accommodated by the rest of the population," said > > > > > Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security Policy > > > > > — a Washington think tank. > > > > > > Gaffney predicted the U.S. could soon face problems similar to some > > > > > Western European countries, where the religious values of Muslim > > > > > immigrants sometimes clash with their highly secular host cultures. > > > > > > But Professor An-Na'im believes it will be different in America. "The > > > > > variety of American secularism — which is much more receptive of > > > > > public displays of religion and a public role for religion — is, in > > > > > fact, more conducive for Muslims to be citizens and to be comfortable > > > > > with their religious values and citizenship than European countries," > > > > > An-Na'im said.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
