Dreams my friend, dreams! Sure it would be nice if 5 million people showed up unexpectedly and there just happened to be enough food, housing, medicine, employment and room in schools to accommodate all these people at the onset of their arrival. Dreams my friend, dreams!
On Apr 9, 10:56 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Slip, > > No I do get it, I don't like it but I do get it. My stance is really > one of what I belive should ultimatly happen > > On 9 Apr, 16:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If you can't see that immigration needs to have some sort of control > > then you are ignoring an important point I made above. > > > Problems quickly arise when the influx of > > foreigners cause bottlenecks in the flow of necessary goods, medical > > care, education and housing. We can't just open the floodgates of > > immigration without some control over the process. > > > Immigration is good when the flow is manageable. I think that is very > > obvious! > > > On Apr 9, 9:26 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hey Slip, > > > > You start by declaring that freedom of movment nor immigration is in > > > question, and then go on to tell us why movement and immigration > > > should be controled more vigourously? > > > > Heh so apart from that, I also don't get the home thing? You are > > > eqauting somebodys home, with a country that has an influx of > > > immigrants? > > > > In all honesty slip, I am disgusted with the issue of immigration, the > > > worms really do start to crawl out of the wood. To my mind a human is > > > a human is a human, faith nor 'race' nor politics changes that fact. > > > If we do not offer aid to those that truely need it, like for example > > > an immigrant fleeing their war torn country, then what sort of people > > > are we? > > > > Patriotism? Well that's just such a divisive thing that I have no > > > time for it. If we were indeed all free to move, live and work where > > > we wanted to, then the notion of culture would eventualy goe out of > > > the window. > > > > Why is it important to cling to culture anyway? > > > > On 9 Apr, 15:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Freedom of movement nor immigration is in question. The > > > > disproportionate figures that inhibit gradual assimilation and further > > > > undermine the native culture is obviously a dilemma for many > > > > countries. Further it is not about a specific cultural immigration, > > > > though there are some that are flowing in faster than a country can > > > > properly account for them. Problems quickly arise when the influx of > > > > foreigners cause bottlenecks in the flow of necessary goods, medical > > > > care, education and housing. We can't just open the floodgates of > > > > immigration without some control over the process. In similar > > > > respects, after disasters, shelters find themselves overburdened by > > > > the sudden demand on accommodation. Consider thousands of foreigners > > > > moving to a region that is experiencing high unemployment and a > > > > serious ongoing drought that is causing a depletion of resources, and > > > > see that the migration as problematic. Who might feed these > > > > immigrants and who is going to pay for their survival? > > > > Immigrants can be irresponsible in respect to not addressing the issue > > > > of available resource at the intended location and instead usually > > > > just pack up and move out hoping things will be better elsewhere. > > > > Then once there, they start demanding rights under the immigration > > > > laws further putting a strain on the native culture. When the > > > > melting pot starts to boil over everyone gets burned. I provided a > > > > link to show how Taxi drivers are treating "citizens" with > > > > discriminatory practice based on personal religious belief. This is > > > > not how it works in a separation of church and state country, but you > > > > can see how, as numbers increase and infiltration within governmental > > > > position (also going on) by Muslims take place, that the laws of the > > > > land will lean towards their perspective and persuasions. > > > > I'm sure you don't want people moving into your house because things > > > > aren't going too well for them at their place. If you came home one > > > > day and found 5 people sitting around your house because they lost > > > > theirs to foreclosure, what would you do? I can hear it now, "Hi > > > > Lee, thought we would come over your place because we lost our house > > > > to the bank, oh by the way I want you to know we are Muslims, strongly > > > > disapprove of alcohol so please don't drink any around my family, > > > > please keep the noise down while we are praying, and thanks for > > > > putting us up until we can get our own place, don't worry about our > > > > dogs out back because they are friendly pit bulls, Now! what's for > > > > dinner?". > > > > > On Apr 9, 3:23 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Slip. > > > > > > The freedom of movement I belive is a fundemental one. We should all > > > > > be free to move, live and work where we want. To be able to better > > > > > our condition espeacily if we have dependants. > > > > > > I get you point about staying put and working to change that > > > > > inviroment for the better, but really these types of changes are > > > > > brought about by great people, and as we know great people are great > > > > > because they are better than the norm. > > > > > > I'm not a great man, I am agreat dad, and great at my chossen carrer, > > > > > but to change the world, naah mate that needs better people than I. > > > > > > On 30 Mar, 14:56, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've read about some of the serious problems facing countries due to > > > > > > Muslim immigration proportions. I find it bad enough here that > > > > > > signage needs to be English and Spanish and wondering how long it > > > > > > will > > > > > > take for the signs to also accommodate the Muslims. This is "Not" > > > > > > assimilation but first level overpowering! > > > > > > > Why don't people just stick it out in their homeland and find a way > > > > > > to > > > > > > make life better there? > > > > > > > Please be > > > > > > Opinionated!!http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511361,00.html > > > > > > > Article: > > > > > > > As America's Muslim population grows, so too does the influence of > > > > > > Islamic law, or Shariah, in daily life in the U.S. > > > > > > > "Shariah Law is the totality of the Muslim's obligation," said > > > > > > Abdullahi An-Na'im, a professor of law at Emory University in > > > > > > Atlanta. > > > > > > According to An-Na'im, Shariah is similar to Jewish Talmudic Law or > > > > > > Catholic Canon Law in that it guides an adherent's moral conduct. > > > > > > > "As a citizen, I am a subject of the United States," An-Na'im said. > > > > > > "I > > > > > > owe allegiance to the United States, to the Constitution of the > > > > > > United > > > > > > States. That is not inconsistent with observing a religious code in > > > > > > terms of my own personal behavior." > > > > > > > While many view this as a testament to the "great American melting > > > > > > pot," others see Islamic law's growing influence as a threat. > > > > > > Shariah's critics point to cases such as the airport in Minneapolis, > > > > > > where some Shariah-adherent taxi drivers made headlines in 2006 for > > > > > > refusing to pick up passengers they suspected of carrying liquor. > > > > > > The > > > > > > drivers' aversion to alcohol stemmed from a verse in the Qur'an that > > > > > > describes "intoxicants and gambling" as "an abomination of Satan's > > > > > > handiwork." > > > > > > > Last year, a Tyson Foods plant in Shelbyville, Tenn. replaced its > > > > > > traditional Labor Day holiday with paid time off on Eid al-Fitr, the > > > > > > Muslim festival — marking the end of fasting during Ramadan. A labor > > > > > > union had requested the change on behalf of hundreds of Muslim > > > > > > employees— many of them were immigrants from Somalia. > > > > > > > But public outcry over the decision to dismiss Labor Day quickly > > > > > > prompted the company and union to negotiate a new contract that > > > > > > makes > > > > > > accommodations for both holidays. > > > > > > > In 2007, the University of Michigan installed ritual foot baths to > > > > > > accommodate Islamic tradition. "These things are beginning to > > > > > > percolate up as Shariah-adherent Muslims insist that their > > > > > > preferences > > > > > > and practices be accommodated by the rest of the population," said > > > > > > Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security > > > > > > Policy > > > > > > — a Washington think tank. > > > > > > > Gaffney predicted the U.S. could soon face problems similar to some > > > > > > Western European countries, where the religious values of Muslim > > > > > > immigrants sometimes clash with their highly secular host cultures. > > > > > > > But Professor An-Na'im believes it will be different in America. > > > > > > "The > > > > > > variety of American secularism — which is much more receptive of > > > > > > public displays of religion and a public role for religion — is, in > > > > > > fact, more conducive for Muslims to be citizens and to be > > > > > > comfortable > > > > > > with their religious values and citizenship than European > > > > > > countries," > > > > > > An-Na'im said.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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