There's a simple correlation: if you don't trust the owner, don't trust the dog, and vice versa.
On Apr 19, 2:23 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm familiar with the statistics and understand they influence folk's > choices when choosing a breed. Many, many dog lovers such as myself > wouldn't own a breed with a bad reputation(for the reasons stated > earlier) yet many non-responsible owners would just for the novelty. > This skews the stats to impugn the breed. Dog's are products of > operant conditioning(B. F. Skinner.) Dogs rewarded for vicious > behavior will most likely be a problem. Dogs given direction by > training and positive reinforcement are almost never a problem. > > The dog attack danger scale is good advice. I especially like the > 'newness' warning. Dogs need a chance to adjust to new owners and > learn good behavior. Not all dogs are salvageable if they've been > treated badly or ignored. These are the ones that need to be put down > like a predatory pedophile. > > Seems weird you need a license to drive a car and repair > computers(http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2324220,00.asp) but any > moron can lawfully raise a child or own a dog. > > dj > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Truth is, as I see it, dogs have been known to attack their owners > > without provocation, with many attacks resulting in the fatality of > > the owner. So I think people forget that all dogs are "animals" once > > wild and untamed and have an innate violent nature which can emerge at > > any given time. The statistics presented in the link show that not > > only vicious dogs are known to cause death, as was the case with the > > Pomeranian killing the infant. The correlation between dogs and > > owners may have some credence within a controlled study and > > accumulated statistical data but overall dogs, regardless of the > > owner's temperament, can be vicious. > > http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/danger.htm#meaning > > I found this website to be a worthwhile read with current statistical > > data. Read through "Canine Homicides" for a real eye opener. > > > Here is the March 2009 portion. > > > March 2009: Five people were killed by dogs in the USA in March 2009, > > and a sixth perished from infection after being bitten. > > A two-week-old baby was killed by a dog on March 4, 2009, in Mesa, > > Arizona. The mother had placed the infant in a low-lying bassinet or > > crib, with a Chow-Chow in the house. Arizona is a statutory strict > > liability state. > > On March 16, 2009, Hill A. Williams Jr., a 38-year-old California man, > > was mauled to death by his two bull mastiffs, in his own back yard. > > California is a statutory strict liability state. > > On March 22, 2009, Dustin E. Faulkner, a 3-year-old boy from Georgia, > > was killed by a wolf-hybrid. Details are sketchy at this time. Georgia > > has a dog bite statute that incorporates much of the one-bite rule > > (see Georgia on this site). > > Dolly Newell, an 80-year-old California woman, died on March 24, 2009, > > several days after she was bitten in the hand by a dog while feeding > > it. For some reason, she told the hospital staff she injured her > > finger while gardening. They stitched the bite closed and she went > > home, to die of infection. This death will not appear in most lists of > > canine inflicted fatalities, but it should because it was initiated by > > the dog bite and it is well known that the bacteria in a dog's saliva > > can cause death. > > On March 26, 2009, Tyso Miller, an 18-month-old Texas boy, was > > fatally attacked in his back yard by a female pit bull. His parents > > had been caring for the dog and apparently thought it to be harmless. > > Texas is a one-bite state and the national leader in canine homicides. > > (See Dog Bite Statistics.) > > On March 31, 2009, two pit bulls killed Izaiah G. Cox in San Antonio, > > Texas, as the child was laying on a bed. The dogs broke through or > > went over a baby gate inside the house. When the baby's grandmother > > tried to rescue him, the pit bulls attacked her too, requiring > > hospitalization. Texas is a one bite state and the USA's leader in > > fatal dog attacks on people (see Dog Bite Statistics on this site). > > > Don't forget the horrible story about the.................... > > > Death of Diane Whipple > > > On January 26, 2001 Diane Whipple was attacked and killed in her San > > Francisco apartment building by two Presa Canario/mastiff mix dogs > > owned by her neighbors, Marjorie Knoller and her husband Robert Noel. > > Both neighbors were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and felony > > charges of keeping a mischievous dog in 2002 (mostly based on witness > > testimony regarding their level of control of the dogs and > > unwillingness to take professional advice), and Knoller was indicted > > for second degree murder. > > Knoller was found guilty of second degree murder, but the trial judge > > ruled for a new trial. In May 2005 the Court of Appeal overturned the > > call for a new trial, and Knoller (a lawyer) appealed to the > > California Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ordered the trial court to > > reconsider the second degree murder conviction, and the court > > reinstated the conviction. > > On September 22, 2008 the court sentenced Marjorie Knoller to serve 15 > > years to life for the death of Diane Whipple. > > To date, this is believed to be the only murder sentence handed out in > > the United States to an individual found guilty of causing death by a > > dog that they own. > > > Of course I do see a breed specific danger in Pit Bulls, Rots and > > other large powerful breeds. > > > Check this out............. > > > Through January 20, 2002, the log of life-threatening and fatal > > attacks showed that pit bulls had committed 592 (45%) of the 1,301 > > total attacks qualifying for inclusion, including 280 (21%) of the > > attacks on children, 222 (60%) of the attacks on adults, 51 (34%) of > > the fatal attacks, and 321 (45%) of the maimings and disfigurements. > > > Rottweilers had committed 291 (22%) of the attacks, including 24% of > > the attacks on children, 63 (17%) of the attacks on adults, 36 (24%) > > of the fatalities, and 159 (22%) of the maimings and disfigurements. > > > Combined, pit bulls and Rottweilers had committed 72% of all the > > attacks, 45% of the attacks on children, 77% of the attacks on adults, > > 58% of the fatalities, and 67% of the maimings and disfigurements. > > > Dog Attack Danger Scale > > Here are the 6 danger-signs that warn of a dog attack. Knowing them > > can keep you and your children safe. > > > 1. A dog in its own yard, and no master present. In 2008, 78% of the > > human fatalities were by dogs in their own yard. > > > 2. Pit bull, Rottweiler, Akita or Chow. Most fatal dog attacks are by > > pit bulls. In 2008, 65% of the fatalities were by pit bulls. > > > 3. The pack mentality. Three dogs are worse than 2, 4 are worse than > > 3, etc. Docile dogs often become uncharacteristically violent and > > vicious when they are in a pack. In 2008, 39% of the fatalities > > involved multiple dogs. > > > 4. Chained or tethered. Dogs that are tied up are dangerous. In 2008, > > 9% of the fatalities involved chained dogs. > > > 5. Male. Male dogs are several times more dangerous than female dogs. > > Unneutered male dogs are the worst. > > > 6. Newness. A new dog in the house is dangerous for the first 60 days, > > and a person who is new to a household where a dog resides is in > > danger of attack for the first 60 days. In 2007 and 2008, 20% of fatal > > dog attacks involved a new person or dog sharing a household for a > > period of two months or less. > > > The presence of any one factor indicates danger. Two or more of these > > danger-signs should be avoided at all costs. > > >http://www.dogbitelaw.com/#scale > > > On Apr 18, 8:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ARE you right to trust your instincts if you cross the street when you > >> encounter a snarling pit bull with an equally forbidding owner? A new > >> study suggests that the owners of so-called "vicious" dogs commit more > >> crimes than those who do not own such a dog. > > >> Laurie Ragatz and her colleagues at the University of West Virginia in > >> Morgantown examined whether owners of vicious dogs - those classed by > >> the American Kennel Club as breeds with a high risk of causing injury > >> to humans - were different in personality and behaviour to others. > >> Their online questionnaire of 758 students, 563 of whom owned dogs, > >> revealed owners of vicious dogs were significantly more likely to > >> admit crimes such as vandalism, illegal drug use and fighting than > >> other dog owners and those without dogs (Journal of Forensic Sciences, > >> DOI: 10.1111/j.1556-4029.2009.01001.x). > > >> Hardly surprising. Perhaps we could guess each other's dog? I hope > >> all would guess I own Grommet(from Wallace and Grommet), though > >> suspect I might be seen as harbouring a rottweiler-pitbull! Does > >> Molly's poodle have a 'pitbull shadow'? Does Chris' domesticated > >> african hunting dog do ganga? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
