I would suggest Francis' SFR as the collective mentality. What we make real is often stupid and involves far too much fecking (fecking seeming better than *ucking as it leads to pecking order thoughts). The clucking mentality seems widespread ...
On 28 Apr, 04:47, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand that as not looking at the possibility, not looking at > the achieved collective mentality. > I think we need something more than the high idea. The dream of utopia > has been around for a real long time and I believe what you're talking > about is slipping (a punny day hey) into the dream. I think we need to > do something to get everybody off into it for a meeting to bring about > the change. > > That's what I was getting at in the post above. > > peace & Love > > On Apr 27, 11:28 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the > > possibility..<<tinker > > You are close but......... > > What I'm saying with the expression "Post Collective Mentality", is > > that a simple visual of what it would be like if the collective were > > "Achieved", would create a mindset that discourages the pessimism and > > promotes the encouragement of possibility. > > A parallel would be a visual of what it would be like lying on a beach > > in the Bahamas, basking in the sun, watching all the beautiful > > bodies.............Slap! OK I'm back. See what I mean? It becomes > > "yes that would be great, what do I need to do the be there?" > > We accomplish what we focus on, we achieve what we set out to do and > > as individuals or a group we can focus on the collective mentality to > > simply bring it about. It is true that those who are pessimistic > > hamper the possibility but the truth is the greatest obstacle is not > > those who do not believe it can happen but those who have other > > agendas such as amassing wealth, wielding power, dominance and who > > perceive the collective as a threat to their personal goal. Remember > > that while you are trying to promote the idea, they are trying to > > destroy the idea. > > > On Apr 27, 9:39 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Rosey, > > > I understand that the people you refer to as purely evil are > > > despicable human beings. > > > But they are human beings, and they are what they are because of the > > > values (or lack of) they have acquired in their Life. > > > I just have an aversion to the word and idea of 'evil' because it > > > excuses the human from responsibility. > > > Psycho/sociopath is as close as a human gets to the idea of evil. > > > > We don't have to get through to them. The Collective Mentality we're > > > talking about establishing 'will' get through to them. > > > We are not talking about selling a bunch of dogma, we are talking > > > about establishing a link in our minds that will bring the power of > > > our collective intelligence (God?) to bear on the actions of mankind. > > > > Slip said, "I think one of the key factors in the collective mentality > > > obstacle is > > > the lack of insight into "post collective mentality". > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the possibility. > > > Like a scientist has a vision or object in his mind first, then begins > > > to figure ways to make it real. Where would we be today if all the > > > scientist had your attitude of "Oh we could never do that". > > > > We are looking to bring about an evolutionary leap for mankind. Please > > > release your primitive view of the human and look to the possibility > > > of overcoming the base mentality and evolving to a truly spiritual > > > people. > > > Imagine utopia, think from that point of view. What is necessary to > > > establish unity? > > > > And it needs to happen soon, cause we don't want slip to go back to > > > Saturn :-) > > > He wouldn't be happy without morning glories. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Apr 27, 9:03 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Tinker, I get what you're saying, but when I mention "pure evil" I am > > > > referring to the leaders of countries. Few of them, very few, would > > > > agree with a collective mentality altogether. The problem is getting > > > > through to them. Yes we the plebians, patrons, citizens... are > > > > starving for peace and humanity, but who is listening to us? As long > > > > as we have leaders that strive on maintaining power who are unable to > > > > equally share in thoughts, borders and resources, we are going to have > > > > followers that will believe in them. That's the truth. War > > > > unfortunately reigns over sound mind. It's a paranoid caveman > > > > instinct which evolution has yet to mutate. Am I for collective > > > > mentality? 100%, do I believe it will actualize anytime soon, no. > > > > It's going to take time. > > > > > On Apr 26, 5:13 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > Your thinking that allows for someone to be "pure evil" is the sort of > > > > > stuff that is used to justify war. There is fear driven greed that > > > > > would apparently be the pure evil that you would substantiate. But, it > > > > > is 'purely' fear driven greed. > > > > > > The people of the world do not cater to war. We are subjected to war > > > > > by the fear driven greedy who have taken control of our government. > > > > > > What mother nature does is just fine. If we establish the collective > > > > > mentality we will come more in line with mother nature's natural order > > > > > and maybe even have a bit of influence :-) For sure we would handle > > > > > disasters a lot better. > > > > > > The ideas for a Collective Mentality have never made any significant > > > > > progress across barriers of Language and Culture. > > > > > So we should give up trying to find the way to make a world wide > > > > > collective mentality? > > > > > > Religions support the fatalistic prognosis. It would not give them > > > > > much authority if they didn't teach "there's nothing we can > > > > > do" (instill apathy) except follow their dogma. > > > > > > A code of rules will never will never establish a collective > > > > > mentality. That would be too complex to cross the barriers of Culture > > > > > and Language. > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:40 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Applause Slip, prior to responding to this thread I initially > > > > > > planned > > > > > > to agree with the collective mentality idea. As I am not one that > > > > > > is > > > > > > pro war. To me war is greed, power and an agenda to eliminate the > > > > > > enemy. War is heartache and pain. But when you have too many > > > > > > people > > > > > > whose intentions of others are nothing but pure evil, how shall we > > > > > > acquire this collective mentality. Although signs of collective > > > > > > mentality are already evident, eventually (when I say eventually, I > > > > > > refer to a distant future) it will be on everyone's list of > > > > > > accomodations. Today's generation has less barbaric tendencies than > > > > > > say 1000 years ago. Yet with the attainment of civility we still > > > > > > cater to war. War whether we like to admit it or not, maintains the > > > > > > ratio of people versus earth's resources. Man is the creator of his > > > > > > own demise. Even Mother Nature herself steps in when man does not. > > > > > > Now would a collective mentality prevent tsunami's, eruptions of > > > > > > volcanoes, weather afflictions, earthquakes and disease? Take the > > > > > > Black Plague for example; Europe's agricultural land and food supply > > > > > > did not accomodate to the demand of its residents. Many were > > > > > > starving > > > > > > and hungry, the black plague moderated the ratio where the survivors > > > > > > were able to reestablish a resourceful community. Time and time > > > > > > again > > > > > > history has proven the survival of the fittest element. Philosophy > > > > > > and collective mentality theories have been developed as early as > > > > > > the > > > > > > Greeks. It may be possible that one day citizens of the Earth will > > > > > > abide by a code of rules associated through a collective mentality. > > > > > > We can only hope. > > > > > > > On Apr 25, 11:44 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What do I think? I think it would not be a "simulation" of a > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > world but a reality that all of humanity created through > > > > > > > collective > > > > > > > mentality. I think you are wrong about the tolerance of humanity > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > especially the "straight" path as you put it. It is not a > > > > > > > straight > > > > > > > path as opposed to a wrong path but simply a unison, a harmony, a > > > > > > > semblance of similar thought. I think war is not inevitable but a > > > > > > > simple perception, in our human history, as a solution to > > > > > > > problematic > > > > > > > situations with disregard to amicable solution. War is the easy > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > out, kill the problem, over and done. War has become so morally > > > > > > > acceptable and so every piss ant country in the world thinks the > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > to peace is through the development of sophisticated weaponry, > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > though the costs of which result in the starvation and hardship > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > citizenry. I think humanity, in spite of technological advances, > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > not progressed much further than that of the chimpanzee. I think > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are terribly wrong about the compassion of humanity and the > > > > > > > assumption > > > > > > > that one must experience pain in order to appreciate pleasure. > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > I chop off my left hand so that I can appreciate the right hand > > > > > > > more? > > > > > > > There will still be, without war, situations that evoke > > > > > > > compassion, > > > > > > > such as natural disasters and tragedies. I think there is > > > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > no benefit to war other than that which is derived by those who > > > > > > > engage > > > > > > > in the senseless act of war. > > > > > > > George Bush engaged war in Iraq and thousands of innocent men, > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > and children lost their lives. When you think that it is > > > > > > > acceptable > > > > > > > to kill thousands of people because Saddam killed thousands of > > > > > > > Kurds > > > > > > > then you are certifiably insane. 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