ok...i will concede that it is not impossible, considering the perceived notion that every thing is possible (which i have a hard time buying into)...would u concede that it is improbable? i simply cannot envision a day when there will be no rebellion, war, hunger, territory invading, crimes of passion, acts of hatred, extreme non- conformity or just plain old ambivalence and apathy. my determinations arent based on pessimism, or even a lack of enthusiasm for the concept, i simply cannot envision overcoming the logistics of it. i realize my terminlology 'realistic opinion' sounded more like a statement than it was intended, but i cant even imagine how one would start the project, and what would convince people to 'sign on'. i welcome your thoughts on this.
On Apr 28, 9:35 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I present it as an "obstacle" you presented it as a "impossibility". > > Collective Mentality does not imply non-diversification. > > A diverse society can still have a Collective Mentality. > > Generally, we already have collective mentality in the sense "we" in > society, as a whole, agree on specific guidelines that allow us to > "function as a Whole" while we carry on our individual, diverse and > uniquely defined lives. > > "We" as a global community collectively agree that nuclear war is a > bad thing. Global Organizations are in place seeking a global > consensus on arms reduction. A collective objective is crucial for > the development of the global trade agenda. > > The reason you can't see that we are close to a collective mentality > is because you keep looking at the impossibility. It is not that I > have never held a pessimism towards humanity but have recognized that > collective change starts with individual change. It all starts with > me, my focus, hope and a visualization of success. > > Someone just like you many, many years ago thought it would be > "Impossible" to fly, land on the moon, talk on a telephone, watch > television, end segregation, swap out a heart, etc! > > I may not live to see it happen but as long as humanity continues to > progress towards a collective mentality, the chance that it will one > day come to fruition remains highly possible. > > As long as "Walls that Divide" continue to come tumbling down there is > possibility. > > Each individual mind is like a drop of rain that forms the river of > dreams. > > On Apr 28, 5:06 am, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > i agree with your comment "the greatest obstacle is not those who do > > not believe it can happen but those who have other agendas such as > > amassing wealth, wielding power, dominance and who perceive the > > collective as a threat to their personal goal. Remember that while > > you are trying to promote the idea, they are trying to destroy the > > idea." ...this was my previous point that led to being labeled > > apathetic and pessimistic...i feel that my (and other) "pessimistic" > > or realistic doubts that a collective mentality will work is not > > hampering the effort at all...the above mentioned logistics will > > substantiate its demise, although it may work in small groups. > > however, i do not find this type of utopia attractive. diversity is a > > neat thing...what do they say? variety is the spice of life! > > > On Apr 27, 11:28 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the > > > possibility..<<tinker > > > You are close but......... > > > What I'm saying with the expression "Post Collective Mentality", is > > > that a simple visual of what it would be like if the collective were > > > "Achieved", would create a mindset that discourages the pessimism and > > > promotes the encouragement of possibility. > > > A parallel would be a visual of what it would be like lying on a beach > > > in the Bahamas, basking in the sun, watching all the beautiful > > > bodies.............Slap! OK I'm back. See what I mean? It becomes > > > "yes that would be great, what do I need to do the be there?" > > > We accomplish what we focus on, we achieve what we set out to do and > > > as individuals or a group we can focus on the collective mentality to > > > simply bring it about. It is true that those who are pessimistic > > > hamper the possibility but the truth is the greatest obstacle is not > > > those who do not believe it can happen but those who have other > > > agendas such as amassing wealth, wielding power, dominance and who > > > perceive the collective as a threat to their personal goal. Remember > > > that while you are trying to promote the idea, they are trying to > > > destroy the idea. > > > > On Apr 27, 9:39 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Rosey, > > > > I understand that the people you refer to as purely evil are > > > > despicable human beings. > > > > But they are human beings, and they are what they are because of the > > > > values (or lack of) they have acquired in their Life. > > > > I just have an aversion to the word and idea of 'evil' because it > > > > excuses the human from responsibility. > > > > Psycho/sociopath is as close as a human gets to the idea of evil. > > > > > We don't have to get through to them. The Collective Mentality we're > > > > talking about establishing 'will' get through to them. > > > > We are not talking about selling a bunch of dogma, we are talking > > > > about establishing a link in our minds that will bring the power of > > > > our collective intelligence (God?) to bear on the actions of mankind. > > > > > Slip said, "I think one of the key factors in the collective mentality > > > > obstacle is > > > > the lack of insight into "post collective mentality". > > > > What I think he's saying is you are not looking at the possibility. > > > > Like a scientist has a vision or object in his mind first, then begins > > > > to figure ways to make it real. Where would we be today if all the > > > > scientist had your attitude of "Oh we could never do that". > > > > > We are looking to bring about an evolutionary leap for mankind. Please > > > > release your primitive view of the human and look to the possibility > > > > of overcoming the base mentality and evolving to a truly spiritual > > > > people. > > > > Imagine utopia, think from that point of view. What is necessary to > > > > establish unity? > > > > > And it needs to happen soon, cause we don't want slip to go back to > > > > Saturn :-) > > > > He wouldn't be happy without morning glories. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Apr 27, 9:03 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Tinker, I get what you're saying, but when I mention "pure evil" I am > > > > > referring to the leaders of countries. Few of them, very few, would > > > > > agree with a collective mentality altogether. The problem is getting > > > > > through to them. Yes we the plebians, patrons, citizens... are > > > > > starving for peace and humanity, but who is listening to us? As long > > > > > as we have leaders that strive on maintaining power who are unable to > > > > > equally share in thoughts, borders and resources, we are going to have > > > > > followers that will believe in them. That's the truth. War > > > > > unfortunately reigns over sound mind. It's a paranoid caveman > > > > > instinct which evolution has yet to mutate. Am I for collective > > > > > mentality? 100%, do I believe it will actualize anytime soon, no. > > > > > It's going to take time. > > > > > > On Apr 26, 5:13 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Rosey, > > > > > > Your thinking that allows for someone to be "pure evil" is the sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > stuff that is used to justify war. There is fear driven greed that > > > > > > would apparently be the pure evil that you would substantiate. But, > > > > > > it > > > > > > is 'purely' fear driven greed. > > > > > > > The people of the world do not cater to war. We are subjected to war > > > > > > by the fear driven greedy who have taken control of our government. > > > > > > > What mother nature does is just fine. If we establish the collective > > > > > > mentality we will come more in line with mother nature's natural > > > > > > order > > > > > > and maybe even have a bit of influence :-) For sure we would handle > > > > > > disasters a lot better. > > > > > > > The ideas for a Collective Mentality have never made any significant > > > > > > progress across barriers of Language and Culture. > > > > > > So we should give up trying to find the way to make a world wide > > > > > > collective mentality? > > > > > > > Religions support the fatalistic prognosis. It would not give them > > > > > > much authority if they didn't teach "there's nothing we can > > > > > > do" (instill apathy) except follow their dogma. > > > > > > > A code of rules will never will never establish a collective > > > > > > mentality. That would be too complex to cross the barriers of > > > > > > Culture > > > > > > and Language. > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:40 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Applause Slip, prior to responding to this thread I initially > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > to agree with the collective mentality idea. As I am not one > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > pro war. To me war is greed, power and an agenda to eliminate the > > > > > > > enemy. War is heartache and pain. But when you have too many > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > whose intentions of others are nothing but pure evil, how shall we > > > > > > > acquire this collective mentality. Although signs of collective > > > > > > > mentality are already evident, eventually (when I say eventually, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > refer to a distant future) it will be on everyone's list of > > > > > > > accomodations. Today's generation has less barbaric tendencies > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > say 1000 years ago. Yet with the attainment of civility we still > > > > > > > cater to war. War whether we like to admit it or not, maintains > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ratio of people versus earth's resources. Man is the creator of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > own demise. Even Mother Nature herself steps in when man does > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > Now would a collective mentality prevent tsunami's, eruptions of > > > > > > > volcanoes, weather afflictions, earthquakes and disease? Take the > > > > > > > Black Plague for example; Europe's agricultural land and food > > > > > > > supply > > > > > > > did not accomodate to the demand of its residents. Many were > > > > > > > starving > > > > > > > and hungry, the black plague moderated the ratio where the > > > > > > > survivors > > > > > > > were able to reestablish a resourceful community. Time and time > > > > > > > again > > > > > > > history has proven the survival of the fittest element. > > > > > > > Philosophy > > > > > > > and collective mentality theories have been developed as early as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Greeks. It may be possible that one day citizens of the Earth > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > abide by a code of rules associated > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
