Geezz, (again) ...my head hurts...and I used to be a math major! Who would guess?
Gabbers..thanks for the great attempt at pointing me towards the additional bits of education I apparently need. Someday, I hope to have the tenacity to learn it! What little I've glanced at appears to deal with physical stuff..where, hopefully, as my reply to you shows, I was dealing with a different order. On Apr 28, 2:38 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Pun intended, orn. Look up "orders" for yourself and see how they > align. > > On 28 Apr., 16:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well gabbers...yes, I could return to the arche...(dear Thales) ...quite > > often do, don't I? > > > However, in this instance, I merely address those aspects of the > > psyche that are held in common. While cultures do instill differing > > values, mores etc., humans have a sense of who is boss...who is top dog... > > who is Der Fuher. And, there are those who are not. This is clear even > > to the nonverbal animals. If it isn't, there is a test to be sure. > > > It's quality is one of a handful of domains of the human psyche, how > > we interact within society...etc. We all experience it. So, for a test, > > I'm sure even a Rorschach inkblot test might not come up short. Just > > ask where the testee places themselves within society. Other methods > > may be used too. > > > There exist natural hierarchies too...I don't go to a 5 year old for > > brain surgery! > > > So, in both cases, yes, they are an aspect of 'I'...since we are a > > multitude. > > > I must admit total ignorance when it comes to "...the evolutionary > > aspect of hierarchical orders.". . . so will await further > > instruction. �� > > > On Apr 28, 4:17 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I don't agree with you. > > > > Could you define what you understand by "sense of hierarchies"? What > > > are its qualities? How would you test for it? Is this sense somehow > > > connected to the "I" you defined? If so, would you also reject the > > > evolutionary aspect of hierarchical orders? > > > > But maybe you are still up to something like: Hier's > > > archieeeeeeeeeeee! ;-) > > > > On 28 Apr., 10:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And, yes...we have no bananas...we have no bananas today.... > > > > > Back to identity...(sccrreeeeeccchhh!!!)) > > > > > I am not my past nor am i my future. I am not what is external. I am > > > > not my thoughts nor my body....so, what am I? No, not a riddle, true > > > > Socratic questions. > > > > As humans, we all have a sense of hierarchies...thus know 'where' in > > > > society we 'fit in'...yet, is this a fixed role?...like being Brahman? > > > > No, clearly that isn't the case...unless we identify so fully with a > > > > position as to make movement impossible. > > > > Are we what we do? For some belief structures...yes...but in any > > > > ultimate sense, no...we are not mere activity or motion. Are we > > > > identified by our ethics?...a more interesting question to me at > > > > least. I think not..but will listen to other views. > > > > So, no O. Henry ending... > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:19 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I can think of a bunch we might throw to Orn to make him Slip! We are > > > > > all 42% bananas. I wannabe free of advertising. > > > > > > On 27 Apr, 17:15, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Heh surely you mean the middle? > > > > > > > On 27 Apr, 16:05, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > If the class is to be determined by who you are then you are "of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > working class", however if the determination is based on social > > > > > > > economic status the you would be middle class. > > > > > > > > Go to the top of the class Lee! > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 9:40 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well to put it into the context of Slips original post. > > > > > > > > > If I come from a working class background, and yet earn enough > > > > > > > > to keep > > > > > > > > myself and my dependants living in a middleclass lifestlye, > > > > > > > > what class > > > > > > > > am I actualy? > > > > > > > > > On 27 Apr, 14:01, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ohhhhhhh, good one, can we become without doing? > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 5:44 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Slip, > > > > > > > > > > > The short answer would be we are defined by what we do. > > > > > > > > > > > Your background does not matter, as much as which actions > > > > > > > > > > you perform. > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 Apr, 03:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I find that many people regardless of their social > > > > > > > > > > > status, socio- > > > > > > > > > > > enconomic level or general upbringing sometimes identify > > > > > > > > > > > with that > > > > > > > > > > > which they are not. Some call them a "wannabe". > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever the label > > > > > > > > > > > whatever the alter ego it still remains the same, people > > > > > > > > > > > relating with > > > > > > > > > > > that which they are not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actor extraordinaire Daniel Day-Lewis once said, > > > > > > > > > > > "I came from the educated middle class but I identified > > > > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > working classes. Those were the people I looked up to. > > > > > > > > > > > The lads whose > > > > > > > > > > > fathers worked on the docks or in shipping yards or were > > > > > > > > > > > shopkeepers. > > > > > > > > > > > I knew that I wasn't part of that world, but I was > > > > > > > > > > > intrigued by it. > > > > > > > > > > > They had a different way of communicating. People who > > > > > > > > > > > delight in > > > > > > > > > > > conversation are often using that as a means to not say > > > > > > > > > > > what is on > > > > > > > > > > > their minds. When I became interested in theater, the > > > > > > > > > > > work I admired > > > > > > > > > > > was being done by working-class writers. It was often > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > inarticulate. I later saw that same thing in Robert De > > > > > > > > > > > Niro's early > > > > > > > > > > > work - it was the most sublime struggle of a man trying > > > > > > > > > > > to express > > > > > > > > > > > himself. There was such poetry in that for me." > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we who we are or are we that which we identify with, > > > > > > > > > > > or possibly a > > > > > > > > > > > combination of both? > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think that in someway we all identify with > > > > > > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > > > > things in the external world that we feel suits our > > > > > > > > > > > personal desire, > > > > > > > > > > > want or need and then by adopting that identity we > > > > > > > > > > > somehow learn to be > > > > > > > > > > > that which we identify with, unless it is beyond our > > > > > > > > > > > capacity to > > > > > > > > > > > become that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that a distraction from who we "really" are? Is the > > > > > > > > > > > constant > > > > > > > > > > > bombardment from multi-media a detriment to the > > > > > > > > > > > development of the > > > > > > > > > > > true self? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we waste much of our time in youth attempting to > > > > > > > > > > > emulate that which > > > > > > > > > > > we are intrigued by only to realize later in life the > > > > > > > > > > > reality of who > > > > > > > > > > > we really are?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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