I believe that all religion began with good intention. Buddhism is the least offensive to personal freedom and the only element that I would consider to be a 'control' factor is passive. It teaches complacency. Gandhi said "be the change you want to see" and went out and started riots. He did not sit on his ass praying and meditating for the problems of his people to disappear. MLK Jr. had a dream, and took it to the streets to make it happen.
We need to take some action to bring about the change that we know is necessary for the betterment of our world. We know what we want, Unity. We know what doesn't work to establish it. We know there is a 'collective' mind, intelligence or whatever that does have power. Why is it that Slip and I are the only ones making an effort to discover a way to access that power? We spend most of our energy trying to overcome the denials of a possibility. peace & Love On Apr 29, 10:46 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “…if there were any possibility of indoctrinating the world to it > [Buddhism], it could empower the transcendence (unity) that is > urgently needed in our world here and now. That's not going to > happen…” – Tink > True on both counts Tink…Buddhism is so vast as to have something to > say to all people…at all levels. And, in it’s secret doctrine, it even > knows when it itself will die out. So…both counts…yes. Yet, today, it > does help countless people to become wiser, live better lives etc. > This is one of many reasons I have practiced/studied it. And, since > much of it IS shrouded in analogies and allegories from a different > culture and time, my main ‘work’ is a continuation of the ancient > Academy of old Greece. They too held such knowledge…as did the > Egyptians and many other cultures. Anyway, this particular school is > for our time and culture… > > “I seem to recall something about the purpose of the meditation and > spiritual elevation having a goal of transcendence that could be > corresponding to what the man Jesus referred to as enter the Kingdom.” > – Tink > > Well Tink, could be. I’m rather ignorant about JC. However, as to the > Kingdom, yes…all of this is true. > “Jesus and Buddha had a connection to the same 'thing', our collective > intelligence. They both taught ways for mankind to make the connection > to the same 'thing'. It just makes a whole lot of sense to me that > that 'thing' is the key, Not the dogma.” - Tink > Absolutely Tink! Dogma is dogma…we know this. > > “That I think is true if you desire to enter the collective wisdom,, > you > must first choose the path you want to follow, then you have to walk > the > walk. Some seem to be shorter than others and some never get there at > all.” – Allan > > True this Allan…the Western continuation of the Academy is one of the > shorter (read: quicker) paths I’ve found…although most schools had > some sort of Velocity method. > > On Apr 29, 1:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ""The problem that I think we need to solve is how to make that 'thing', > > known as 'common', amongst mankind."Tink" > > > Well Tink I do not think that the substance of beliefs is really the > > problem but rather is the lacking of desire, as it appear there is a price > > to pay for this common wisdom and that requires effort. To many people want > > to pass the responsibility for there spiritual well being to some one else. > > "Tell me what I need to do and I will do it.." or some one else telling > > another person to do for there salvation or enlightenment" Unfortunately for > > these people there are those that would take advantage of them for gain "Äh! > > I have seen the Light!" and of they go into psycho babble. I do not blame > > those who walk away completely for their stennch is overwelming. > > > It is said that the path to salvation is narrow and difficult and few ever > > chose to follow it.. > > > That I think is true if you desire to enter the collective wisdom,, you > > must first choose the path you want to follow, then you have to walk the > > walk. Some seem to be shorter than others and some never get there at all. > > Allan > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I just responded on the discussion of 'opinion or bias', "definition > > > and/or point of view fuel all arguments". > > > I think the personal religion defines and is one's point of view of > > > 'spiritual'. > > > Spiritual is ones developed or accepted interpretation of the contact > > > with the collective intelligence. > > > I know what you are talking about when you say spiritual joy. I call > > > it connecting to the collective intelligence, and it is exactly the > > > same 'thing'. > > > Christians, Buddhist, Muslims and free thinking spiritualist such as > > > yourself all have the same 'thing' as the substance of their beliefs. > > > > The problem that I think we need to solve is how to make that 'thing', > > > known as 'common', amongst mankind. > > > > peace & Love > > > > On Apr 28, 8:47 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > as you have mentioned, the nuances of individual spiritual experiences > > > > are as varied as the number of people who have experienced them. some > > > > may exclude anothers 'personal religion' if they want, but i dont > > > > believe most spirit-humans do so. my experiences have little to do > > > > with human life, so sharing them is not only difficult to do, but most > > > > people you try to describe them to think you are from another planet. > > > > i dont think many people who have experienced spiritual joy will > > > > disregard similar experiences of others, but will gladly share in the > > > > others joy. this may not be described exactly as 'unity', but it is a > > > > nice community experience. > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > My take on the Dali Lama crying when he was asked if there was an easy > > > > > way to enlightenment sets the stage. > > > > > > Dali cried because he knows that the way to enlightenment is too > > > > > difficult, for enough of mankind to learn, and would never be able to > > > > > bring about the transcendence that Buddhism seeks as its flavor of > > > > > Unity. > > > > > > Why is it that all the great minds of our time and those of history > > > > > all converge on the fact that the power for solving all of the > > > > > problems of the world is within the mind of mankind, but none have > > > > > been able to affect the ways of mankind to bring about any significant > > > > > change? > > > > > The power connection in the mind has many different descriptions of it > > > > > and directions on how to access it. It can be simply a magnificent > > > > > light and it can be Jesus in all his glory. And it is exactly what it > > > > > is according to whoever is describing it. It is a real thing and > > > > > that’s the description that is available from previous information > > > > > that has been incorporated into the belief structure of the > > > > > individual. > > > > > It is energy. It is indescribable. But it is such a wonderful thing > > > > > that we have to describe it so we can claim it as ours. The method of > > > > > description is metaphor, using that which is familiar to us. > > > > > It is a resource for the individual to connect with the collective > > > > > intelligence. > > > > > When we connect with it we get a personal charge, it is a personal > > > > > thing, the opposite of a Unity thing. > > > > > We have gone to it (possibly only subconsciously), identified it and > > > > > made it our personal knowing and understanding justifier, establishing > > > > > our personal religion. And we exclude anything that is not in line > > > > > with our personal religion. > > > > > This is not the way to Unity. > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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