“…We need to take some action to bring about the change that we know is necessary for the betterment of our world….” – Tink
Tink, I grok your volition…and at the same time do not necessarily sense that not taking some (apparently external) action equates to complacency. This is some of what I have learned along some paths. On Apr 29, 2:40 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe that all religion began with good intention. Buddhism is the > least offensive to personal freedom and the only element that I would > consider to be a 'control' factor is passive. It teaches complacency. > Gandhi said "be the change you want to see" and went out and started > riots. He did not sit on his ass praying and meditating for the > problems of his people to disappear. > MLK Jr. had a dream, and took it to the streets to make it happen. > > We need to take some action to bring about the change that we know is > necessary for the betterment of our world. > We know what we want, Unity. > We know what doesn't work to establish it. > We know there is a 'collective' mind, intelligence or whatever that > does have power. > Why is it that Slip and I are the only ones making an effort to > discover a way to access that power? We spend most of our energy > trying to overcome the denials of a possibility. > > peace & Love > > On Apr 29, 10:46 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “…if there were any possibility of indoctrinating the world to it > > [Buddhism], it could empower the transcendence (unity) that is > > urgently needed in our world here and now. That's not going to > > happen…” – Tink > > True on both counts Tink…Buddhism is so vast as to have something to > > say to all people…at all levels. And, in it’s secret doctrine, it even > > knows when it itself will die out. So…both counts…yes. Yet, today, it > > does help countless people to become wiser, live better lives etc. > > This is one of many reasons I have practiced/studied it. And, since > > much of it IS shrouded in analogies and allegories from a different > > culture and time, my main ‘work’ is a continuation of the ancient > > Academy of old Greece. They too held such knowledge…as did the > > Egyptians and many other cultures. Anyway, this particular school is > > for our time and culture… > > > “I seem to recall something about the purpose of the meditation and > > spiritual elevation having a goal of transcendence that could be > > corresponding to what the man Jesus referred to as enter the Kingdom.” > > – Tink > > > Well Tink, could be. I’m rather ignorant about JC. However, as to the > > Kingdom, yes…all of this is true. > > “Jesus and Buddha had a connection to the same 'thing', our collective > > intelligence. They both taught ways for mankind to make the connection > > to the same 'thing'. It just makes a whole lot of sense to me that > > that 'thing' is the key, Not the dogma.” - Tink > > Absolutely Tink! Dogma is dogma…we know this. > > > “That I think is true if you desire to enter the collective wisdom,, > > you > > must first choose the path you want to follow, then you have to walk > > the > > walk. Some seem to be shorter than others and some never get there at > > all.” – Allan > > > True this Allan…the Western continuation of the Academy is one of the > > shorter (read: quicker) paths I’ve found…although most schools had > > some sort of Velocity method. > > > On Apr 29, 1:16 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ""The problem that I think we need to solve is how to make that 'thing', > > > known as 'common', amongst mankind."Tink" > > > > Well Tink I do not think that the substance of beliefs is really the > > > problem but rather is the lacking of desire, as it appear there is a > > > price > > > to pay for this common wisdom and that requires effort. To many people > > > want > > > to pass the responsibility for there spiritual well being to some one > > > else. > > > "Tell me what I need to do and I will do it.." or some one else telling > > > another person to do for there salvation or enlightenment" Unfortunately > > > for > > > these people there are those that would take advantage of them for gain > > > "Äh! > > > I have seen the Light!" and of they go into psycho babble. I do not > > > blame > > > those who walk away completely for their stennch is overwelming. > > > > It is said that the path to salvation is narrow and difficult and few ever > > > chose to follow it.. > > > > That I think is true if you desire to enter the collective wisdom,, you > > > must first choose the path you want to follow, then you have to walk the > > > walk. Some seem to be shorter than others and some never get there at all. > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I just responded on the discussion of 'opinion or bias', "definition > > > > and/or point of view fuel all arguments". > > > > I think the personal religion defines and is one's point of view of > > > > 'spiritual'. > > > > Spiritual is ones developed or accepted interpretation of the contact > > > > with the collective intelligence. > > > > I know what you are talking about when you say spiritual joy. I call > > > > it connecting to the collective intelligence, and it is exactly the > > > > same 'thing'. > > > > Christians, Buddhist, Muslims and free thinking spiritualist such as > > > > yourself all have the same 'thing' as the substance of their beliefs. > > > > > The problem that I think we need to solve is how to make that 'thing', > > > > known as 'common', amongst mankind. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:47 pm, e_space <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > as you have mentioned, the nuances of individual spiritual experiences > > > > > are as varied as the number of people who have experienced them. some > > > > > may exclude anothers 'personal religion' if they want, but i dont > > > > > believe most spirit-humans do so. my experiences have little to do > > > > > with human life, so sharing them is not only difficult to do, but most > > > > > people you try to describe them to think you are from another planet. > > > > > i dont think many people who have experienced spiritual joy will > > > > > disregard similar experiences of others, but will gladly share in the > > > > > others joy. this may not be described exactly as 'unity', but it is a > > > > > nice community experience. > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > My take on the Dali Lama crying when he was asked if there was an > > > > > > easy > > > > > > way to enlightenment sets the stage. > > > > > > > Dali cried because he knows that the way to enlightenment is too > > > > > > difficult, for enough of mankind to learn, and would never be able > > > > > > to > > > > > > bring about the transcendence that Buddhism seeks as its flavor of > > > > > > Unity. > > > > > > > Why is it that all the great minds of our time and those of history > > > > > > all converge on the fact that the power for solving all of the > > > > > > problems of the world is within the mind of mankind, but none have > > > > > > been able to affect the ways of mankind to bring about any > > > > > > significant > > > > > > change? > > > > > > The power connection in the mind has many different descriptions of > > > > > > it > > > > > > and directions on how to access it. It can be simply a magnificent > > > > > > light and it can be Jesus in all his glory. And it is exactly what > > > > > > it > > > > > > is according to whoever is describing it. It is a real thing and > > > > > > that’s the description that is available from previous information > > > > > > that has been incorporated into the belief structure of the > > > > > > individual. > > > > > > It is energy. It is indescribable. But it is such a wonderful thing > > > > > > that we have to describe it so we can claim it as ours. The method > > > > > > of > > > > > > description is metaphor, using that which is familiar to us. > > > > > > It is a resource for the individual to connect with the collective > > > > > > intelligence. > > > > > > When we connect with it we get a personal charge, it is a personal > > > > > > thing, the opposite of a Unity thing. > > > > > > We have gone to it (possibly only subconsciously), identified it and > > > > > > made it our personal knowing and understanding justifier, > > > > > > establishing > > > > > > our personal religion. And we exclude anything that is not in line > > > > > > with our personal religion. > > > > > > This is not the way to Unity. > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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