Guess again :-) peace & Love
On May 8, 3:55 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > So, who’s right? Is it one out of the jumbled clusterfuck of spiritual > > beliefs? Or is it the Fact, that Life IS here and now. > > The ‘Dream of Utopia’ points at Life, not some spiritual other shit. > > That’s why I ask if it’s dead. > > Well Ok, but you are setting up a false dilemma. Above you have > capitalized the following words "Fact", "Life" and a double capital of > "IS". > > Basically, if you consider what something is, like "its red" or "its > round" you are considering its nature, or its essence. It is possible > however to cease to consider what is and turn your consideration to > the fact that it is. When you do you transcend what life is and > consider the fact that it is, or to use your writing, the Fact, that > Life IS. Now, it turns out that you can experience the fact that life > is in some very, what are called, "profound" ways. You can either > appreciate its meaning fully or not. When you no longer are > considering what is but the fact that it is you are going beyond the > physical to the metaphysical, or going beyond the natural to the > supernatural or going beyond the sensory to the extrasensory. That is > the "some spiritual other shit" because it is not what is, but rather > is the fact that it is. That is why it is "other" or transcendent. It > is also Immanent meaning roughly "here and now." That is why "the > Fact, that Life IS here and now" IS "some spiritual other shit"... it > just happens to be YOUR "some spiritual other shit". > > It turns out that the appreciation of the meaning of the fact that > life is in its fullest sense is the experience underlying all of the > religions. The meaning of that experience is expressed, indirectly > through the books and stories that constitute the religious texts and > genuine religious activity and mythology is about the problem of > knowing what it means to be and is part of the intellectual history of > mankind. > > You might think it is easy to know what it means. It is not. > > Now many activities and beliefs interpret these texts literally. For > them God is basically like any other thing capable of either being or > not being and they believe he "happens" to be. They interpret religion > not existentially but essentially. They think it is about what is not > the fact that it is. These people are fundamentalists. Their > interpretation is truly not even religious. It is just bad science. > > However, when the religions are not interpreted essentially then we > can see their value. Their value is in their appreciation of the > meaning of "the Fact, that Life IS here and now." So you raise a false > dilemma between religion and what you are saying. > > With respect to Utopia I recommend that you read Kierkeguard on > despair "The Sickness Unto Death". He analyzes what despair really is > and how one falls into its clutches. It is truly a very big problem. > Utopia is not being realized because of something that is called Maya > or illusion in the hindu literature. It is called original sin in the > christian literature. In the Hindu litterature it is noted that all > suffering comes from a failure to realize the true nature of life. > > To put as close to your terminology as I can: When "the fact, that > life that life is here and now" fails to become "the Fact, that Life > IS here and now" then there is suffering. > > You should be careful about prematurely cutting out the meaning of the > religions because you correctly realize that their literal > interpretation is false and even distracting. > > Now to the most important question: Is the dream dead. I think the > answer is no. Not even in the most evil would I say dead... or at > least not completely incapable of being resurrected. We know basically > that there is this problem, the problem of Maya or original sin and > there is this clouding of our vision but religious experience still > happens. The real question can be posed in terms of the myth of Lot > and his fleeing of his city. The dream is alive. We are like in a game > with the stakes doubling. The technical capabilities we have for > communication now are making possible a major reawakening. They also > make possible our destruction and these capabilities, the ones we > currently have are nothing compared to what is in the biological > design / neurology synergy. We are about to become very capable. Are > we responding to it is the question. > > Good luck. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
