On May 18, 2:41 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> You are failing to grasp the simple concept that your stating something is
> so does not make it so. In failing to grasp that simple concept, your entire
> position falls on its face.
OMPREM: Exactly what I have told atheists many times. Atheists seem
incapable of understanding that language, logic, reason and empiricism
are totally inadequate to access the Divine. One can talk about God
all they like but it is just so much air. God is only accessible by
means other those above.
>
> You can speak 10,000 words and never make a single point, OM, if you can't
> follow simple analogies. In your "Holy" mission to "prove atheists wrong",
> you've lost track of the purpose of your own spirituality. Where is your
> joy? Where is your enlightment? Where is your peace? You come in here full
> of vitriol, spite, and a sense of moral superiority. Do you think this makes
> you bodhisattva?
OMPREM: I come to show atheists that despite their claim to logical
nothing they say regarding atheism is logical. Everything related to
atheism rests on factual or logical mistakes. My spirituality is fine
thank you. It is typical of atheists to misconstrue critique of their
atheist belief system as attack. I can understand why this is, of
course: an atheist cannot admit that his atheism is based on error
because he believes that he has nothing left upon which to base his
life.
>
> There is nothing inane in my analogy. You are making statements for which
> you have no proof, no backing whatsoever except that you are saying them.
> They have as much validity as the HPU, or Russel's Teapot. To those who
> choose to believe, they may sage words of a prophet. To those who do not,
> they are as valuable as a hobo's fart.
OMPREM: To ask for objective proof of religious matter is merely to
assert the primacy of empiricism in areas that are totally beyond the
jurisdiction of empiricism. However, one can experience the truth of
the Divine by employing the methods suggested by the various
religions. Russel was much overrated: his Why I Am Not A Christian is
sophomoric drivel and about what one would expect from the average
undergraduate. The hobo's fart at least tells us the hobo is alive
which is more than one can say for most atheists who are brain dead
but still on life support (at our expense I might add).
>
> Your message comes across more strongly in how you say than what you say,
> and your message of condemnation and anger does not show anyone here how
> being attuned with the Divine is something to seek for. Personally, I'll
> take Fran's Divine attunement if I need a little religion.
OMPREM: " I'll take ... if I need a little religion" says it all about
atheists: they still dimly hear their spiritual intuition whispering
to them so they want to be good but because of their addiction to
sense impression they don't want to be too good and certainly not good
all the time.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Knowledge entails being separate from that which is 'known'. But
> > separation means that the knower is not fully aware of the which he/
> > she wishes to know. To 'know' the Divine one must attune themselves
> > to the Divine completely.
>
> > I'm sure you have dazzled yourself with your HPU analogy but it
> > nevertheless remains an inanity.
>
> > On May 18, 10:48 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > You speak from a position of authority, of gnosis, and yet on what do you
> > base this knowledge? Let me rephrase this for you and see if it illustrates
> > the conundrum in your position:
>
> > > Those who believe in Chakras are not aware of the Truth of the Holy Pink
> > Unicorn. They, like animals, have some awareness of the world around them,
> > but do not recognize the simple fact of her invisible and omnipotent hooves.
> > Their consciousness is deadened to her benevolence, and the wisdom granted
> > in each of the hairs of her holy mane.
>
> > > Does my assertion have any more value than yours, any more quality? Is
> > there some measure of validity by which faith can be tested, when empiricism
> > and rationalism are taken off the table?
>
> > > [ Attached Message ]From:omprem <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" <
> > [email protected]>Date:Mon, 18 May 2009 05:23:55 -0700
> > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 18 2009 8:23 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Purpose of
> > Astral body
>
> > > There is a difference between judging (which I am not doing) and
> > > observing (which I am doing).
>
> > > It is a never ending source of amusement to note that atheists who
> > > judge religionists so quickly and negatively are quick to react to any
> > > perceived judgments against them.
>
> > > FYI: Animals are intelligent and aware of the phenomenal world around
> > > them but, like atheists, are not aware of the more subtle,
> > > transcendental aspects of their world. Animal instinct and mentality
> > > is to be found in the seven principal chakras or talas from the hips
> > > down.
>
> > > On May 17, 9:44 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM, omprem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 17, 7:27 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Are you saying that Atheists are not in there right mind?
>
> > > > > OMPREM: Yes. They live in the world of animal instinct and make no
> > > > > attempt to rise above that level.
>
> > > > > > Atheists have a deadened consciousness?
>
> > > > > the Athist in this group difinately live above animal instincts, and
> > are
> > > > > very intelligent. From reading their replies they are very aware of
> > the
> > > > > world around them.
>
> > > > > OMPREM: Yes. Atheists live in the dense consciousness of the lower
> > > > > seven chakras from the hips down.
>
> > > > From my experience in life where people find fault with others it is
> > exactly
> > > > where they are having problems..
> > > > Omprem are you having difficulties rising above your carnal self?
>
> > > > > > Atheists live in darkness?
>
> > > > > OMPREM: Yes, see above.
>
> > > > > > Your view is very narrow minded. Maybe you need to get out of the
> > > > > > closet and see that there is a "whole" world outside of your own
> > > > > > little world.
>
> > > > > OMPREM: When atheists move out of the literal rut that they have
> > > > > imposed upon themselves by their addiction to sense impression they
> > > > > will know the truth of Cosmic Consciousness AKA God.
>
> > > > And you have met AKA God?
>
> > > > > .
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > I_D Allan
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