Chris, Fran, Omprem, and others ! Omprem does come across like a bull in a china shop. But he's looking to be engaged.
So far, in the context of Chris' " Atheists assume nothing, and wait to be shown the truth of the thing using materialist and rationalist methods." Omprem seems to be saying that that " waiting " is on account of reasons that hold back the atheist : fear, for he does not have anything else to fall back ; addiction, with reality obtained through the senses ; attachment with empiricism, with objective and subjective domainisation of reality ... etc. Sure, a dialogue with Omprem, considering his espousal of the ' method ' to oneness with Divine is transcendental, is impossible. But, can the two sides moderate their positions, Omprem coming down from his transcendence and the atheist rising up to that limit of understanding rooted in duality, so that the two sides can lay out their respective premises on the table, for a dialogue to take place ? After all, a dialogue of such nature is what we are here for. Can we ? On May 18, 7:52 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Spiritualism assumes the presence of the divine, Om. Atheists assume nothing, > and wait to be shown the truth of the thing using materialist and rationalist > methods. > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:omprem <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 18 May 2009 06:08:52 -0700 > (PDT)Local:Mon, May 18 2009 6:08 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: AI > > On May 17, 7:29 am, EarthAngel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It leaves atheists in the same position as everyone else, in the > > unknown zone. We as humans can only theorise on any given scientific > > or religious assumption. > > OMPREM: Wrong. Religion offers methods for knowing the Divine > absolutely, completely, and unequivocally and for knowing that we are > God incarnate so to speak. Atheism claims to use only reason and logic > which are inadequate to access the Divine so you are correct that > Atheists are confined only to opinion because they confine themselves > to a relative view of their world and deny the most significant aspect > of humans - their spiritual nature. > > Each and every person on this planet has > > > > > > > their piece to contribute to this great puzzle of life we live in. And > > that is without adding every other being that lives grows and breathes > > on this earth. > > > On May 17, 7:06 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > And just where does that leave us atheists? > > > > On May 15, 5:11 pm, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > All is God is Love is All is God is Love is All is God is Love is All > > > > is God is Love is... > > > > > peace & Love- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
