Ah yes, Neil, but even as we huddle in the dark, we can still warm
ourselves on the imaginary crackling fires of our stories ... ;-)

Francis

On 20 Mai, 15:03, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> My, my!  Even Francis' guard is down - blowing kisses at Gabbers!  The
> path to atheism seems not about a rejection of faith to me but rather
> an affirmation of faith in non-idiocy - something very difficult to
> affirm in engagement with the world and what is really going on in
> it.  The pain of the martyr is very disruptive in all this as is the
> temptation to enter into a positive gloss of hope - both turn into
> what is not needed very quickly.  No doubt I 'should' put together a
> tuna and rice salad to eat healthy and not become a drain on the NHS -
> yet in doing this I am no doubt a drain on the Indonesians working and
> living in squalor who produced my cheap tuna and rice or the
> Bulgarians' backs that produced my lettuce in this wonderful world of
> capitalism.  I really don't know what action we can take to bring
> about real change, though deeply suspect the answers don't lie in fine
> words - though in some sense the answers clearly "lie" in fine words.
> In the sense of eating food provided in a chain from men living on
> boats pretty much 24/7/365 rodding in jack tuna by the ton to be
> processed by women living apart from their families and banned from
> speaking on production lines to supermarket retailers wacking the
> stuff onto their shelves at a price that ensures I have income to
> dispose on a guitar for my grandson this is a very connected world.
> One can surely see 'An Inspector Calls' in this, though we 'prefer'
> some notion that capitalism is the only game in town, an abject
> affirmation of the irrational involving a fear that rational action is
> an impossible dream and perhaps Hobbes' notions that we must give up
> to absolute leadership in some personified form.  What I don't see is
> much attempt to get the truth out in accessible forms or much
> alternative to grubbing about on a croft in Scotland to get away from
> it all.  The is a dream of 'singularity' - a time beyond the human in
> which we merge with machines and escape our doomed biology.  We can do
> better than this, yet our arguments are actually rather cosy,
> themselves forms of life rather than about changing living conditions
> - always consumed by vested interests and words that have become
> things reinforcing the same old patterns of living in a pretence of
> rationality.
>
> On 20 May, 01:23, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Are you a shrink in disguise?
>
> > On May 19, 6:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > This is true and the closet can be full of masks for every occasion.
>
> > > On May 19, 1:50 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > That's the best thing about the internet. You don't have to wake
> > > > anyone up! :-)
>
> > > > On May 19, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > It may seem like its late but I post all hours of the day and night
> > > > > within any 24 hour period. But it would be later for you wouldn't it?
> > > > > The Les Paul was too heavy on the shoulder for me but Gibson was
> > > > > always my favorite line. I think my Howard Roberts, ES 335, Melody
> > > > > Maker (vintage) and the SG Deluxe, Takamine accoustic with onboard
> > > > > electronics and a Roland RD 500 keyboard stand out over the rest as
> > > > > favorites. Five string bass for me and I've been dabbling with a
> > > > > Mandolin but not that crazy for it, the neck is too small. I have to
> > > > > say I don't sound like crap unless I'm overly inebriated to the point
> > > > > of not worth playing anymore.
> > > > > Well it is time to address my coffee addiction!
> > > > > Have a great day!
>
> > > > > On May 19, 4:02 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Somebody is up late. Yes, I play guitar. But not recently. I have
> > > > > > 4(Ibanez f-hole semi-solid, Gibson Les Paul, Gibson acoustic and a
> > > > > > beat up bass I traded two cd's to get. Mostly only play around
> > > > > > holidays anymore. Sound like crap until I get a good buzz going.
> > > > > > Probably still sound like crap but I THINK I sound better.
>
> > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:34 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Or angel.// I played "Satin Doll", "Honeysuckle Rose"- others.
>
> > > > > > > On May 18, 6:59 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >> That was great Don! Now should I back you up on the piano or the
> > > > > > >> bass? I assume you play guitar, no?
>
> > > > > > >> It is undeniably true that everyone, whether through the visual 
> > > > > > >> or the
> > > > > > >> interactive, adapts their own personal "self" from all that has 
> > > > > > >> been
> > > > > > >> absorbed within the environmental experience. We all know what
> > > > > > >> happens to a child that is locked up in a room without any 
> > > > > > >> exposure to
> > > > > > >> the outside world. We cannot fully discover ourselves without 
> > > > > > >> knowing
> > > > > > >> what others have discovered. This is what prompts us to explore 
> > > > > > >> our
> > > > > > >> shadow.
>
> > > > > > >> On May 18, 5:54 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > To truly discover who you are(or in another sense, who you'd 
> > > > > > >> > like to be) I
> > > > > > >> > think it is necessary and certainly beneficial to study others 
> > > > > > >> > beliefs and
> > > > > > >> > philosophies. An analogy would be the musician searching for 
> > > > > > >> > his style. SD
> > > > > > >> > can back me up on this(or not). You learn a dozen other 
> > > > > > >> > people's style and
> > > > > > >> > develop your own usually as a combination of the others. Many 
> > > > > > >> > times it is
> > > > > > >> > done unconsciously but if your goal is self understanding it 
> > > > > > >> > would be better
> > > > > > >> > to deliberately learn/copy other styles, pick what you like 
> > > > > > >> > about them the
> > > > > > >> > most and develop yours accordingly.
>
> > > > > > >> > dj
>
> > > > > > >> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:39 PM, e_space 
> > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > lol..."live" to me is the ongoing movie that is my life, not 
> > > > > > >> > > somebody
> > > > > > >> > > elses...but i may consider this. im not really looking for 
> > > > > > >> > > info so i
> > > > > > >> > > would prefer to read a book that is fun at least...hesse was 
> > > > > > >> > > good
> > > > > > >> > > because his philosophy was at least in novel form...quite 
> > > > > > >> > > enjoyable
> > > > > > >> > > and started with Siddhartha. i have mentioned this book in 
> > > > > > >> > > another
> > > > > > >> > > post...
>
> > > > > > >> > > On May 18, 11:57 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > Sigh...I took a brief vacation from this forum and upon 
> > > > > > >> > > > returning find
> > > > > > >> > > > members poking lances at each other. Shame on you! 
> > > > > > >> > > > Whatever it is,
> > > > > > >> > > > get over it.
>
> > > > > > >> > > > I recommend Hesse-Siddhartha.
>
> > > > > > >> > > > I wanted to mention to e. that although I understand your 
> > > > > > >> > > > logic for
> > > > > > >> > > > not wanting to be influenced by others' philosophies you 
> > > > > > >> > > > will notice
> > > > > > >> > > > that we as humans do not differ much in thought. Many 
> > > > > > >> > > > philosophical
> > > > > > >> > > > view points tend to intertwine with each other. Relieve 
> > > > > > >> > > > yourself and
> > > > > > >> > > > enjoy a good read. Nothing like sitting on a chaise by a 
> > > > > > >> > > > crackling
> > > > > > >> > > > fire or breezy ceiling fan and getting absorbed into 
> > > > > > >> > > > another world.
> > > > > > >> > > > That's live.- Hide quoted text -
>
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