I don't doubt that Francis. Some of the best humour I ever experienced was in the old Soviet Block. I actually want to see some kind of resurgence of integrity on a social scale rather than in the stories of existential heroes and suspect we may have to laugh our way to that. Years ago, I was stuck with a water problem - not of the kind that is sent to bless us as we get old. I was blasting neutrons about in a Heath-Robinson experiment and could make no sense of the data because I had learned a billiard-ball model of what was supposed to go on. A night of poor quality me and high quality lust and whiskey led me to start again. I gave up the billiard-balls and the whiskey, produced some specious equations that worked because they were wrong (inspiring criticism that was right) and still yearn for lust in this over-populated world of increased STD statistics. We might learn something from entanglement and vacuous desire, perhaps even a means of not simply pushing the truth away to allow ourselves to experience the pleasures of rationalisation and the elevated gutters of literature. Modern false consciousness remains short of ridicule, yet ridicule needs to be momentary in the sense of short in time and leading to more sensible actions rather than a chronic form of false consciousness itself. It is the space for positive plans and action that we seem to lack. I have long thought this space could be created by quality of work life notions and new technologies, along with protection against banditry,bwankers and the libidinal economy of Mouseworld. It is hard to stay positive with a report on Irish children's homes out today, teenagers drinking booze through straws because they don't like the taste and to get wasted quicker (rotten adults also intervene in this world) and the rest. The admission of the rotten in a more positive manner, including an understanding that 'reports' fail to change much might be key to real change. We might find forms of competition that don't need to exploit through miserable wages - but here we'd have to look hard and clear at what those countries that have provided their own with reasonable standards have continued to do to others and so on.
On 20 May, 14:20, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah yes, Neil, but even as we huddle in the dark, we can still warm > ourselves on the imaginary crackling fires of our stories ... ;-) > > Francis > > On 20 Mai, 15:03, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My, my! Even Francis' guard is down - blowing kisses at Gabbers! The > > path to atheism seems not about a rejection of faith to me but rather > > an affirmation of faith in non-idiocy - something very difficult to > > affirm in engagement with the world and what is really going on in > > it. The pain of the martyr is very disruptive in all this as is the > > temptation to enter into a positive gloss of hope - both turn into > > what is not needed very quickly. No doubt I 'should' put together a > > tuna and rice salad to eat healthy and not become a drain on the NHS - > > yet in doing this I am no doubt a drain on the Indonesians working and > > living in squalor who produced my cheap tuna and rice or the > > Bulgarians' backs that produced my lettuce in this wonderful world of > > capitalism. I really don't know what action we can take to bring > > about real change, though deeply suspect the answers don't lie in fine > > words - though in some sense the answers clearly "lie" in fine words. > > In the sense of eating food provided in a chain from men living on > > boats pretty much 24/7/365 rodding in jack tuna by the ton to be > > processed by women living apart from their families and banned from > > speaking on production lines to supermarket retailers wacking the > > stuff onto their shelves at a price that ensures I have income to > > dispose on a guitar for my grandson this is a very connected world. > > One can surely see 'An Inspector Calls' in this, though we 'prefer' > > some notion that capitalism is the only game in town, an abject > > affirmation of the irrational involving a fear that rational action is > > an impossible dream and perhaps Hobbes' notions that we must give up > > to absolute leadership in some personified form. What I don't see is > > much attempt to get the truth out in accessible forms or much > > alternative to grubbing about on a croft in Scotland to get away from > > it all. The is a dream of 'singularity' - a time beyond the human in > > which we merge with machines and escape our doomed biology. We can do > > better than this, yet our arguments are actually rather cosy, > > themselves forms of life rather than about changing living conditions > > - always consumed by vested interests and words that have become > > things reinforcing the same old patterns of living in a pretence of > > rationality. > > > On 20 May, 01:23, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Are you a shrink in disguise? > > > > On May 19, 6:16 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is true and the closet can be full of masks for every occasion. > > > > > On May 19, 1:50 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That's the best thing about the internet. You don't have to wake > > > > > anyone up! :-) > > > > > > On May 19, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It may seem like its late but I post all hours of the day and night > > > > > > within any 24 hour period. But it would be later for you wouldn't > > > > > > it? > > > > > > The Les Paul was too heavy on the shoulder for me but Gibson was > > > > > > always my favorite line. I think my Howard Roberts, ES 335, Melody > > > > > > Maker (vintage) and the SG Deluxe, Takamine accoustic with onboard > > > > > > electronics and a Roland RD 500 keyboard stand out over the rest as > > > > > > favorites. Five string bass for me and I've been dabbling with a > > > > > > Mandolin but not that crazy for it, the neck is too small. I have to > > > > > > say I don't sound like crap unless I'm overly inebriated to the > > > > > > point > > > > > > of not worth playing anymore. > > > > > > Well it is time to address my coffee addiction! > > > > > > Have a great day! > > > > > > > On May 19, 4:02 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Somebody is up late. Yes, I play guitar. But not recently. I have > > > > > > > 4(Ibanez f-hole semi-solid, Gibson Les Paul, Gibson acoustic and a > > > > > > > beat up bass I traded two cd's to get. Mostly only play around > > > > > > > holidays anymore. Sound like crap until I get a good buzz going. > > > > > > > Probably still sound like crap but I THINK I sound better. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:34 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Or angel.// I played "Satin Doll", "Honeysuckle Rose"- others. > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 6:59 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> That was great Don! Now should I back you up on the piano or > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> bass? I assume you play guitar, no? > > > > > > > > >> It is undeniably true that everyone, whether through the > > > > > > > >> visual or the > > > > > > > >> interactive, adapts their own personal "self" from all that > > > > > > > >> has been > > > > > > > >> absorbed within the environmental experience. We all know what > > > > > > > >> happens to a child that is locked up in a room without any > > > > > > > >> exposure to > > > > > > > >> the outside world. We cannot fully discover ourselves without > > > > > > > >> knowing > > > > > > > >> what others have discovered. This is what prompts us to > > > > > > > >> explore our > > > > > > > >> shadow. > > > > > > > > >> On May 18, 5:54 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > To truly discover who you are(or in another sense, who you'd > > > > > > > >> > like to be) I > > > > > > > >> > think it is necessary and certainly beneficial to study > > > > > > > >> > others beliefs and > > > > > > > >> > philosophies. An analogy would be the musician searching for > > > > > > > >> > his style. SD > > > > > > > >> > can back me up on this(or not). You learn a dozen other > > > > > > > >> > people's style and > > > > > > > >> > develop your own usually as a combination of the others. > > > > > > > >> > Many times it is > > > > > > > >> > done unconsciously but if your goal is self understanding it > > > > > > > >> > would be better > > > > > > > >> > to deliberately learn/copy other styles, pick what you like > > > > > > > >> > about them the > > > > > > > >> > most and develop yours accordingly. > > > > > > > > >> > dj > > > > > > > > >> > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:39 PM, e_space > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > lol..."live" to me is the ongoing movie that is my life, > > > > > > > >> > > not somebody > > > > > > > >> > > elses...but i may consider this. im not really looking for > > > > > > > >> > > info so i > > > > > > > >> > > would prefer to read a book that is fun at least...hesse > > > > > > > >> > > was good > > > > > > > >> > > because his philosophy was at least in novel form...quite > > > > > > > >> > > enjoyable > > > > > > > >> > > and started with Siddhartha. i have mentioned this book in > > > > > > > >> > > another > > > > > > > >> > > post... > > > > > > > > >> > > On May 18, 11:57 am, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > Sigh...I took a brief vacation from this forum and upon > > > > > > > >> > > > returning find > > > > > > > >> > > > members poking lances at each other. Shame on you! > > > > > > > >> > > > Whatever it is, > > > > > > > >> > > > get over it. > > > > > > > > >> > > > I recommend Hesse-Siddhartha. > > > > > > > > >> > > > I wanted to mention to e. that although I understand > > > > > > > >> > > > your logic for > > > > > > > >> > > > not wanting to be influenced by others' philosophies you > > > > > > > >> > > > will notice > > > > > > > >> > > > that we as humans do not differ much in thought. Many > > > > > > > >> > > > philosophical > > > > > > > >> > > > view points tend to intertwine with each other. Relieve > > > > > > > >> > > > yourself and > > > > > > > >> > > > enjoy a good read. Nothing like sitting on a chaise by a > > > > > > > >> > > > crackling > > > > > > > >> > > > fire or breezy ceiling fan and getting absorbed into > > > > > > > >> > > > another world. > > > > > > > >> > > > That's live.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
