Heh speaking as a father I know that in fact it is very easy to control another.
On 30 June, 22:56, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Sometimes it's easier to let the other stew in their own juices. I > don't believe we can control others- that is a myth. > > On Jun 30, 7:59 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Indeed, forgiveness is active and requires two - two individuals, two > > groups, two countries. Even forgiveness of self is an activity > > between self and not self - the higher self and the self to be > > transcended. All indicate various degrees of separation. And each > > circumstance requiring forgiveness is unique. Are there constants in > > the process of forgiveness itself? I think all forgiveness requires > > examination of self and other, compassionate communication, desire for > > resolution and enough intellectual and emotional coherence of the > > parties involved to achieve understanding. Asking forgiveness of > > someone who is catatonic, severely schizophrenic etc., may do you some > > good in the asking, but may not get you far in the relationship. > > > On Jun 29, 3:16 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think it depends on the situation. Is the apology offered to clean > > > up your conscience? Is making amends going to cause more pain? And > > > some acts should not be forgiven, imo, though this is not the > > > Christian view. In those cases, I pray for acceptance and try to move > > > on. I don't have to play God or a judge- often the other has his/her > > > own repercussions- plus carrying a grudge or a pail of self-pity is > > > not solace for the "victim", either. Life has a large scale of > > > transgressions from Nazi death camps to stupid assumptions/insults. > > > Even our justice system cannot solve everything- return of the dead, > > > health, fortune,etc.- but it tries. And that's something. > > > > On Jun 29, 5:39 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > To my mind the request for an aplogy is nowt more than a request to > > > > own up, to say look I know I done your wrong babe! So yeah I can see > > > > an apology as haveing worth, value and merit if offered scincerly. > > > > > On 27 June, 21:08, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I never have understood the request for an apology. Is it the > > > > > embarrassment this brings to the apologizer we are after or do we > > > > > really expect to feel better ourselves? I feel it's more likely the > > > > > person's ulterior motive is to gain tort advantage. Correct me if I'm > > > > > wrong Gruff, but in legalize isn't an apology akin to an admission of > > > > > guilt or at least responsibility for a wrongdoing? It's a good way to > > > > > get sued. > > > > > > When someone I love or respect is angry with me it's usually due to a > > > > > misunderstanding. Things get said or done by one or the other of us > > > > > and regret can follow. I neither want nor expect an apology. You > > > > > can't take "sorry" to the bank. What I try to do when I feel bad > > > > > about how I've treated someone is DO something, not say something. > > > > > Talk is cheap. I pay my debts in action, not words.(I'm running out > > > > > of cliches) > > > > > > In researching this topic on the internet earlier I ran across Plato's > > > > > Apology. Which of course is really no apology at all but more of an > > > > > accusation. In retrospect, looking back on all the times I've given > > > > > insincere apologies(these are legion and expected) I did the same > > > > > thing. If not out loud then certainly in my head and with my > > > > > expression. Deception has never been my strong suit. > > > > > > Does an apology mean anything to you and if so, why? Help me > > > > > understand why this is so important to some people.- Hide quoted text > > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
