Thank you to Vamadevananda, iam dehereyic, Slip Disc and others for having taken your time to read and answer my post. I am overwhelmed from the amount of the questions you have thrown back at me, so, I don’t really know how I could ever reply to all of them. However I am going to reply to a few of your questions in a general way, perhaps to answer your questions it would be easier for me if I describe my own idealist views of a future religion, and state why we still need religions, as some of you have hinted that it could be better if we were free of religious rules, as these rules may sometimes make life harder for us instead of better. I believe that we still need religions until there is proof beyond any doubts that God does not exist, and therefore religion is all a joke to control us all. We also need rules or guidance on how to behave and although we have human rules, religion may be used as a second set of rules and guidance, and if we try to eliminate religions, there will be a void and a lot of people would not know how to behave.
My idealistic religion would be a super religion set one step high than any existing religions; constructed in such a way that all existing religions are able to claim that they belong to this super religion, and in doing so, we should be able to avoid divisions among any existing religions. Having said the above statements it is clear that I am not a complete believer, which believes anything the Bible, and the churches tell us to believe; you see my earlier beliefs have modified and that is the reason why I have come to believe what I believe now. I think that I have said enough in this post to give you an idea of what I mean. And I may say a bit more if I find the time to do it later. All the best to you all Kind regards On Jul 18, 11:14 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > As a believer, I wish that God would guide the religious leaders to > fix this problem. > Or if there is really a God who is looking at us and wants to help us, > let him send someone capable of changing things and able to reconcile > the existing religious ways with the future ways. > Perhaps there may already be somebody among us that is capable to do > just that; but so far we have not seen any signs of him. While I am > looking for these signs, <<<MFE > > Manfraco, did you ever consider that if there were a great and all > powerful "creator" that created all life, the universe with all the > energies and wonders of the world, that the creator would somehow make > presence known through some form instead of having to become a human > being or get humans to write books expressing the creators > thoughts? > > Should we consider that maybe "God" does not want people to engage in > religion? > > Signs? You want a sign? How about the sign that religion "does not > work"? The sign that shows humanity's struggle with religious > atrocities taking place for thousands of years? > > Can't we just live and enjoy life, giving and sharing with each > other? Do we have to have a life in Jesus? Do you really think we > need to be "saved" in order to go to a place called "heaven"? > > Maybe life would be better if everyone could be "free of religious > fear". > > Religions have become stagnant pools of belief systems, none of which > present anything valid other than the belief itself. How many more > people will die and suffer at the hands of religious fanaticism? > How many people spend countless hours dealing with religious "guilt"? > > On Jul 18, 12:26 am, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi to all Minds Eye members: > > > I have read most of your religious discussions in this post and I > > agree with most of them, but, as we all have a degree of belief, or of > > non belief that usually differ from one another, we all express > > ourselves in a different way, so I would like to have my say on > > religious matter if you don’t mind. > > For me religion is changing too slowly compared to the changes that > > have occurred in human civilization especially during last century. > > Broadly speaking I believe that if religious leaders don’t think of > > adjusting with the times they are going to see themselves redundant > > soon, or at least decimated, because there will be a lot of people > > that are going to ask questions, because nowadays religions as they > > are, most times don’t stand up to intelligent scrutiny, and therefore, > > intelligent people are going to question that. > > As a believer, I wish that God would guide the religious leaders to > > fix this problem. > > Or if there is really a God who is looking at us and wants to help us, > > let him send someone capable of changing things and able to reconcile > > the existing religious ways with the future ways. > > Perhaps there may already be somebody among us that is capable to do > > just that; but so far we have not seen any signs of him. While I am > > looking for these signs, I would like to ask any of you these > > questions: > > Do you think that it is possible these days to find a way and > > reconcile all sorts of religions? > > Or do you think that it is not possible to achieve? > > Waiting to hear from anyone of you what do you think about this wish > > of mine? > > > I send you my regards to you all, > > Manfraco > > > On Jul 17, 8:16 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Well I have to disagree Tink. For soooo many years that I can't count > > > the Christian church has denied any rights to woman who want to become > > > preists, stateing that all of Jesuses disciples where men, and thus > > > the lord must have meant for men only to be preists. That is now no > > > longer valid for one Christian demonination. This is far more than a > > > cosmetic change, it is a change of dogma after thousdands of years. > > > > Now-days I also personaly know at least two gay priests, and openly > > > gay at that. How long before the church sanctions gay marriages I > > > wonder? > > > > I have been a beliver for all of my adult life and I have seen much > > > change in religon during this time. In fact just today I read that > > > Pagan Police have been given the go ahead for their own Pagan Police > > > federation. > > > > On 16 July, 23:40, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That's just a cosmetic change. The base ideas of the religion still > > > > teach the same thing, the rule of the religion still dictates what is > > > > right at the bottom line in the decision making process. > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > On Jul 16, 4:49 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Well we have already shown that it does in fact change. Look at > > > > > female ordained preists for example. > > > > > > On 16 July, 02:55, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Personally, I think religion is the doom of Society, because it > > > > > > doesn't change. > > > > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 5:28 am, "[email protected]" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > That's the problem with religous dogma, too hard and unbending. > > > > > > > Religion must change as society does or it is doomed. > > > > > > > > On 11 July, 03:18, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > All religious dogmas aim at reducing human faults. When they are > > > > > > > > carried beyond the time and place they were developed for, they > > > > > > > > begin > > > > > > > > to cause problems. > > > > > > > > > peace & love > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 5:32 am, alexandra laughton > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sure bible has it's faults but it just aims at reducing > > > > > > > > > human ones. > > > > > > > > > human mind has not progressed enough to support the > > > > > > > > > developments & > > > > > > > > > inventions around it.H > > > > > > > > > ence the new testament- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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