Slip - You may well be right about sleep for those who sleep in
groups. Of course, many don't.
     I fear you missed my point about intelligence. You seem to agree
with me that intelligence confers an evolutionary advantage. Given
this, then why weren't the reptiles absolutely brilliant? They were on
earth for something like 200 million years whereas we as a intelligent
species have only been here for less that 100,000 years. Could it be
that reptiles became so brilliant that they passed beyond this 3D
universe to somewhere else? There's no evidence that any progress by
reptiles to that point exists, so I doubt it. Thus my question - is
intelligence an exception to evolution? If so, why? If not, why not?

On Jul 21, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sleep is essential to health and where/when tribal function comes into
> play.  There are always others to watch for attack while one gets the
> much needed rest that allows the body to rejuvenate.  A clan may pose
> an impenetrable force against attack.  Truth is that I survived well
> for years on 4 to 6 hours sleep a day.  Health, energy and sleep are a
> unit.
> We are definitely advanced intellectually and living better than the
> ancients.  It may seem that we are not as smarter because we are
> discovering new aspects of life and the universe that we know not much
> about.  We have space technology that provides visual and
> communication aspects of our world that gives us the edge on
> hurricanes, tornadoes, rain and drought.   This aspect of intelligence
> evolution alone adds greatly to "survival of the fittest" but we can
> rather say "survival of the smartest".
> It's easy to relate Darwinian theory to our primordial beginnings but
> today much of it needs modification to bring it up to date with modern
> living.   Think about it next time you are at the zoo and see that
> beast in the cage that would have ripped you to shreds were it not for
> our evolved intelligence.
>
> On Jul 14, 12:35 pm, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >         As I understand one basic premise of the theory of evolution,
> > survival of the fittest prefers individuals that live longer, breed
> > faster and leave more progeny. Yet two traits we possess – sleep and
> > intelligence – seem to contradict this preference.
> >         Sleep works against survival for, while sleeping, an individual can
> > hardly defend against attack and consumption. So evolution would seem
> > to have selected those individuals needing less and less sleep, until
> > sleep would no longer be needed. Yet today, maybe one billion years
> > after speciation began, we still need our 8 hours of sleep.
> >         Intelligence also seems to disprove the all-encompassing scope of
> > evolution. Those individuals better able to recall experience and
> > predict the future would have an advantage in food-gathering, mate
> > selection and progeny protection. Yet we hardly seem smarter today
> > than humans living thousands of years ago.
> >         Are these traits exceptions to evolution? Are there other 
> > exceptions?
> > I expect so. But no one discusses them. Why not?- Hide quoted text -
>
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